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  1. It might not be surprising that Andrew is not enthusiastic about legalising Marijuana given his trade union background.
    There are some workplaces, notably the forestry industry where using dope on the job or beforehand is an ongoing nightmare for those responsible for keeping the workplace as safe as possible. This includes both sides of the issue of workplace safety issue , contractors and unions.
    If it is legalised special arrangements would have to be worked out to keep it banned when someone using compromises the safety of other workers .
    Some will point out that alcohol is legal and just as potentially dangerous in this situation. But it is not part of the culture of workers in manual jobs in NZ to drink on the job or come to work drunk, and it is much more easily spotted when someone’s breath stinks of alcohol and they are drunk.
    This is what will be behind Andrew’s position. It needs thinking about.
    D J S

    1. Yes, David, it does. And the thoughts I would have are pretty straightforward: make it absolutely clear to all such workers that operating potentially lethal machinery while stoned will be treated every bit a seriously as operating such machinery while drunk. Hardly rocket science, I would have thought.

      1. My point as stated Chris is that it is much less obvious if someone is stoned than if they are drunk.
        D J S

    2. Californian economy…. nuff said, and they have been ‘rolling’ in weed use since way before the 70’s.
      NZ workers are getting stoned all day at work already, so ‘little’ will change with legalisation.

      ‘Forest-tree’s’ problem is management taking safety shortcuts for $$$ and blaming stoner workers to shift blame and then smirk behind their whiskeys.

    3. “It is much more easily spotted when someone’s breath stinks of alcohol and they are drunk.”

      It is pretty easy to spot someone who is stoned on the job too. But if they are doing job adequately anyway, is there necessarily a problem. Not that I would advocate having a smoke and then chopping down a tree with a chainsaw.

      “It is not part of the culture of workers in manual jobs in NZ to drink on the job or come to work drunk”

      That might possibly be true, but people who drink at night and then come to work the next more are still affected by the intake of alcohol the night before, arguably more so than someone who has smoked marijuana the night before.

      1. I’ve worked with people on jobs with machinery who smoke dope regularly. For people who are stoned most of the time, they get used to it and do operate pretty normally. That is the problem. You cannot always tell if someone is stoned as easily as a drunk. Especially if they smoke regularly as a lifestyle habit.
        Testing everyone as they turn up to work is intrusive and time consuming.
        It is a concern in industry, it isn’t just my idea.
        Recreationally I would totally support legalisation. I expect alcohol does more harm . The problem is how to separate the two situations
        D J S

  2. Andrew Little waste of space still sucked in by reefer madness, doesn’t he know it was all bullshit. Meanwhile the planet burns while a solution stays locked in pandoras box.

  3. While I find the comments on Labour’s position interesting, as far as I am aware, National’s position is only to legalise medical cannabis and even this will be solely provided by pharmaceutical companies, prescribed by doctors and very expensive.
    The person who wants to grow their own marijuana for health or any other reason will still be thrown charged.
    This would match what is happening in the United States where “big pharma” is presently taking a two pronged approach. Trying to make sure cannabis is only available through it, and still otherwise illegal, which also will keep the private prison corporates happy.

    “Medical marijuana has become a multi-billion dollar a year industry in the United States, and as more states continue to legalize cannabis for medical purposes, that number is going to climb even higher. So naturally, Big Pharma is trying to stop the medical marijuana industry in its tracks. Attorney Mike Papantonio delves into this topic and more.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB-kR76zpx8&feature=share

  4. More delay, to bring:
    * more deaths from synthetic cannabis
    * more waste of police time away from crime that has victims
    * more money for gangs
    * more proliferation of P, a far worse alternative

    Yes legalising cannabis does pose risks and cautions but the status quo is hardly tenable.

  5. And yet Helen Clark, a former Prime Minister who holds great esteem and mana within the Labour Party, is a strong supporter of drug law reform based on a system of decriminalisation for New Zealand and around the World:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/102525764/former-pm-helen-clark-nz-needs-to-rethink-drug-policy

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/353154/war-on-drugs-has-failed-helen-clark

    Current PM Jacinda has also been an advocate for moving drug policy out of the sphere of criminal law towards an evidence-based health and harm-reduction approach.

    Let’s hope their voices and views come out on top over those of some of the more conservative and retrograde members of the Labour Party.

    1. gee..!..when did helen clark have that revelation/u-turn..?

      of course – not when she was prime minister – and actually able to do something about it..?..eh..?

      words are so very cheap – aren’t they..?

  6. Keep off the grass Chris. Bigger issues at stake than “fun” – as EsoPine points out, Nats cannabis policy is about control & profits for big business.
    You left out the urgency around complex health problems. Benefit my MS (slow paralysis) and for others who have worse to contend with.

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