The NZ Police framed Kiwis for murder – let’s chat about that
Court quashes convictions of Gail Maney and others in Deane Fuller-Sandys case
Four people who were convicted in relation to the 1989 killing of West Auckland man Deane Fuller-Sandys have today had their convictions quashed by the Court of Appeal.
Gail Maney, who was twice found guilty of his murder, and her brother Colin Maney and Mark Henriksen, who were found guilty of being accessories to his murder, have also been acquitted of the charges they faced.
However, a retrial has been ordered for co-accused Stephen Stone who was convicted of Fuller-Sandys’ murder and also the rape and murder of sex worker Leah Stephens. The reasons for this have been suppressed.
Every.
Single.
Time.
The NZ Cops get caught out doing some terrible thing to get a conviction they promise us they have learnt their lesson and they won’t do it again.
Every.
Single.
Time.
The NZ Cops get caught doing it again.
Comrades, the convictions in this Deane Fuller-Sandys case we’re based on false confessions from 4 ‘witnesses’ whom the NZ Police bullied and threatened to get those false confessions from.
Let’s just rewind that there.
The NZ Police framed Kiwis for murders they didn’t commit.
I don’t know how more obvious I can be in my language about this case.
Take the Alan Hall Case.
You honestly get the perception after reading the reports that the cops simply rounded up the most vulnerable person near the crime and bullied him into answers that were used to frame him while withholding evidence that proved he didn’t do it.
They knew Alan couldn’t have committed the crime, but the simply framed him anyway because their interrogation techniques are manipulative and have little to do with catching the actual criminal and more to do with simply finding a prosecution.
Take the recent criticism of Police Interrogation tactics that legitimise false confessions.
Take Tom Fitzgerald one NZs top Police Detective who recently quit.
He created a new police interrogation tactic that saw Police lie and manipulate false confessions out of criminals.
These false confessions have led to the Courts throwing the cases out.
Fitzgerald originally claimed it was the Police who had fucked up using his system when in fact Fitzgerald was present and monitoring the interrogations from a seperate room while they were occurring…
Top cop intimately involved in interviews that led to false murder confession
The architect of a controversial interviewing method had intimate oversight of its use in a case where a false confession was extracted from a murder suspect.
A High Court judge said detectives trained in the Complex Investigation Phased Engagement Model (CIPEM) misled the man, and “manipulated” him to make a confession that was “very flawed” and “not credible”.
Detective Superintendent Tom Fitzgerald, who is the officer in charge of the police’s national crime group, and who created CIPEM, previously said any issues were the result of mistakes by the detectives who questioned the suspect, not a flawed model.
He wouldn’t discuss the extent to which he was involved in the interviews, which were conducted as part of Operation Archer – the investigation into the 2016 murder of Upper Hutt woman Lois Tolley.
Stuff can now reveal that Fitzgerald helped plan the suspect’s interviews and watched them unfold from an adjacent room – offering advice and direction to the two detectives as required.
…look, if you want to have cosy fireside chats with criminals and that helps get information and prosecutions, hey, that’s smart Policing, but what we have here is a process that has clear breaches of good faith law, is in fact illegal and allows for huge periods of time where the fucking camera or recording devices are switched off.
How the Christ can we have any certitude that there isn’t something untoward occurring when the cameras and audio get switched off? The fact that Fitzgerald originally claimed his interview process wasn’t correctly followed by the Detectives and that was the reason the case fell over simply isn’t fucking true! Fitzgerald was there coaching the fucking Detectives the whole fucking time!
Look, you can’t have a Police interview process that generates false or illegal confessions! If all we are trying to do is set people up and convict them of crimes we force them to confess to, that’s not a fucking legal process, that’s a gulag! How have the NZ Police managed to get away with this with so little media attention and how often is this interview process now being used? Are we going to see a sudden spike of mistrials because the Police have adopted a rigged interview process?
BTW – you all know that Fitzgerald was the Detective in charge of the Scott Watson case right? The OTHER big legal case in NZ that most believe was also a miscarriage of justice!
Look, based on what we currently have in front of us with this case and the recent miscarriages of justice cases of Peter Ellis, David Dougherty, Teina Pora, David Lyttle, Mauha Fawcett and Alan Hall you get a terrible feeling that Police are not following the evidence, but are merely rounding up the most vulnerable suspects and bullying confessions out of them or twisting the evidence to fit the crime.
What is happening here is a can of very sick and toxic worms being ripped open while the media’s attention is on the petty and the vacant.
What is being exposed here is a rotten process that reeks of corruption. I once thought that maybe as much as 5% of the prison population might be innocent, after looking at what has been starkly revealed in this police interrogation process, I think that number might be closer to 20% of the prison population being innocent.
What has been revealed here calls into question fundamental values of justice and Policing in a democracy. The total lack of wider attention this case and the questions it raises must be addressed.
Our Police worship culture needs to acknowledge that Good Cops can do bad things and if this level of manipulation to gain convictions is what is happening, then surely something has gone very wrong in the system.
A system no one seems prepared to challenge!
The NZ Police are framing people for crimes they didn’t commit and no one seems to care in this country.
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I care .How many police are sitting in prisons due to lying about someone or planting evidence. .My mind goes back to Arthur Allen Thomas since then as you say there are many other cases that defy logic . This is not just happening here though there are terrible cases brought to light in UK and the States.
One of them is now the Minister of Smoking.
Police tell and record lies, day in and day out. Thet do it in their job sheets and in court.
They do it for trivial traffic infringement offences right though to serious arson, rape and murder investigations.
Mostly, it’s through use of hyperbole and deliberately misleading descriptions and various reasons to justify the use of their authority and decisions. This dishonesty can range from minor to more serious misconduct.
It becomes habitual, and as there are seldom any real consequences it reinforces a culture of dishonesty and infallibility that leads police to the gross behaviour we see in these egregious examples, the few that managed to be exposed.
Their excuses and promises to do better are indeed wearing thin but I’m pleased to note anecdotally that more cases of police misconduct have been reaching the courts over the past decade or so, than did, say, 30 years ago.
“What is being exposed here is a rotten process that reeks of corruption”.
A strong accusation. More of a rotten process than corruption perhaps. You’d think that the Police would be very particular about the process. I can picture the seminars. A lot is at stake. Crown Prosecutors rely on the process being squeaky clean and defense lawyers have an eye for inconsistencies. We’ve seen it recently with the Polkinghorne case. But I suspect there still somewhat of a gung ho attitude in the Police, a tendency to bend the rules to achieve the desired outcome, a failure to do things by the book, to follow due process. Not sure if you can call that corruption or if its just a lack of professionalism verging on incompetence. Perhaps too driven by KPIs? Their own sense of who’s guilty and who isn’t?
There are so many who the police have framed it is scary. But some of them don’t give a shit, just charge, frame, end of case. The Blenheim case is undoubtedly a frame up. I always wondered when I saw the doco on this, whether the cop who walked behind his sister when she was taking her kids to school and said ‘if you don’t come clean we will get your kids taken off you’ was ever taken to task with this. Being unsavoury does not mean you are a murderer.
And what the hell is happening with the cop/s in Dunedin who allowed mosque shooter to have a licence without ticking all the boxes. I do think so many of these things are put under the carpet because they don’t show the cops in a good light.
Thoughts on police and law enforcement mostly from UK and NZ – some from USA.-
POLICE: In the world NZ and beyond – some notable considerations:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police
…“Abolish the police,” as a rallying cry, dates to 1988 (the year that N.W.A. recorded “Fuck tha Police”), but, long before anyone called for its abolition, someone had to invent the police: the ancient Greek polis had to become the modern police. “To be political, to live in a polis, meant that everything was decided through words and persuasion and not through force and violence,” Hannah Arendt wrote in “The Human Condition.” In the polis, men argued and debated, as equals, under a rule of law. Outside the polis, in households, men dominated women, children, servants, and slaves, under a rule of force.
This division of government sailed down the river of time like a raft, getting battered, but also bigger, collecting sticks and mud. Kings asserted a rule of force over their subjects on the idea that their kingdom was their household. In 1769, William Blackstone, in his “Commentaries on the Laws of England,” argued that the king, as “pater-familias of the nation,” directs “the public police,” exercising the means by which “the individuals of the state, like members of a well-governed family, are bound to conform their general behavior to the rules of propriety, good neighbourhood, and good manners; and to be decent, industrious, and inoffensive in their respective stations.” The police are the king’s men….
The oldest police force in the world is often considered to be the Metropolitan Police Service of London, established in 1829 by then-Home Secretary Sir Robert Peel. This police force was the first to be organized on a professional and systematic basis, and it set the model for modern policing.
Which is the oldest police force in the world? – Quora
https://www.quora.com › Which-is-the-oldest-police-forc…
He matapihi o nehe rā: 1860s | New Zealand …
New Zealand Police
https://www.police.govt.nz › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
1860s Gold was discovered in the south and the Land Wars began in the north. Land confiscations ignited strong resistance and the rise of Hauhau and Ringatū…
Corrupt and confused?
Prospect Magazine
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
The reason that police struggled to grip the problem in London was that they brought 20th-century understanding and tactics to a 21st-century riot. The …
The Dark Side of Victorian Policing
Legal History Miscellany
https://legalhistorymiscellany.com › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
31 Māe 2022 — A key moment in the Met’s ongoing struggle against various forms of misconduct occurred in 1877 when four senior detectives were charged
Spycops in context – a brief history of political policing in …
Centre for Crime and Justice Studies
https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk › sites › files PDF
Special Branch emerged within the Metropolitan Police in the 1880s. Originally designed to combat the activity of the Irish. Fenians – armed anti-colonials set …
How the battle of Lewisham helped to halt the rise …
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
12 Āku 2017 — In August 1977, the National Front suffered a defeat from which it never recovered. But the day also saw a radical change in police tactics.
Britain’s not innocent—a history of racist cops
Socialist Worker
https://socialistworker.co.uk › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
6 Hun 2020 — David Oluwale drowned in the River Aire in Leeds in 1969. His killing was the first black death by cops in Britain—and shows that police racism, …
Law enforcement in the United Kingdom
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
Police sex abuse allegations. edit. In 2016, allegations of serious sexual abuse were made against hundreds of police officers in England and Wales. Several …
2007 Bazeley Report – Rotorua : https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-dark-side-of-the-police-force/MOPG5AS72ZVTWFWDVURBHWJST4/
(This from the NZHerald is a long read and after reading it I wonder if we in NZ are hypocritical and puritan. It seems to me that often we turn a blaze of appalled attention where a less rigid approach would suffice and match the true morality of our polity.
Rotorua misdemeanour trial acquittal.)
…In the Jordon case the complainant was discredited by the defence team who revealed she was an alcoholic, had a long history of fraud and was “highly strung”. She also admitted that the sex between her and Jordon had been consensual. The woman, who has permanent name suppression, had a history of making “expansive” complaints about Rotorua officers
However, despite questions over her credibility, the prosecution went ahead. But it never went to trial after a ruling by Justice Morris that the complainant could not be relied on to tell the truth.
Jordon’s lawyer at the time, Peter Williams QC, told the Herald on Sunday the case was full of holes and charges should never had been laid.
Williams believed the stress of the prosecution killed Jordon. He died two years after the 1995 acquittal. “He was a very popular police officer and this killed him. It was very sad.”18 Mar, 2007 The Dark Side of the Police Force by Stephen Cook
Keeping up appearances: Police Rhetoric, Public Trust and …
OpenEdition Journals
https://journals.openedition.org › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
This paradoxically helped to strengthen public trust and police legitimacy, while complainants and critics were vilified and marginalised in the public debate.
‘I just went bent’: how Britain’s most corrupt cop ruined …
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
25 Hān 2024 — This is not simply a story about a horrifying miscarriage of justice. It is also a story about one of the most corrupt officers in British history.
Excellent reading list
Thank you Grewarbler
Great. Took a time but we thinkers have to penetrate the synthetic-thought curtain in the coming decades or never.
I said something about NZ puritan a while ago – now how about this? A large minority of NZs are daleks in disguise – exterminate!
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/529973/pensioner-party-poopers-kainga-ora-bans-elderly-tenants-from-happy-hour-drinks
While compiling the links group about police forces I also thought about preparation of court cases and from reading Maigret’s detective stories I noticed a special magistrate does that. So here is some stuff on French methods which can perhaps be fodder for some brain somewhere. A small Bordeaux or Chablis with them may make the evidence go down – don’t know!
Saying – Upton Sinclair — ‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.’ Goodreads
But about Court cases and the Police when not straight, and have we stared past sensitive information with wilful ignorance? What you didn’t want to know may be fascinating. We know we all love to read about crime.
Rumsfeld saw the problem clearly. We must with our superior brains, get beyond stating the confabulations we have created and DO the right thing.
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.
Donald Rumsfeld https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/donald_rumsfeld_148142
It may be time for the people to demand changes before becoming swallowed up by errors, falsity, or chicanery. French jurisdiction has interested me and perhaps we could take an objective look.
What is a magistrate judge in France?
juge d’instruction, in France, magistrate responsible for conducting the investigative hearing that precedes a criminal trial. In this hearing the major evidence is gathered and presented, and witnesses are heard and depositions taken.
Juge d’instruction | French Legal System & Procedure | Britannica
Britannica
https://www.britannica.com › topic › juge-dinstruction
VISITING EXPERTS’ PAPERS
https://www.unafei.or.jp › pdf › RS_No53 PDF
JUDGES AND PUBLIC. PROSECUTORS. French magistrates, judges and public prosecutors, are recruited in the same manner, i.e., by competitive entrance.
A French perspective on EU framework decisions
Sage Journals
https://journals.sagepub.com › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
5 Mei 2024 — This article provides a nuanced exploration of the implications of EU criminal justice cooperation, particularly within French probation and …
France: legal resources: Cases
Oxford LibGuides
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19 Āku 2024 — … try a search via La jurisprudence judiciaire in L égifrance. The Court itself decides which cases should be published.The Bulletins do not …
What is the common law system in France?
The French system of law is a Civil Law system. This is different from the Common Law system of the United States and Britain in that, among other differences, a French court will apply relevant codes and regulations to the parties and facts before them with little reference to prior case decisions.10 Hep 2024
French Legal System – French Legal Resources – LibGuides at Villanova …
LibGuides at Villanova University Law School – Villanova University
https://libguides.law.villanova.edu › FrenchLegalResources
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Take their pension fuck off Nathan lock the lying crooked bastards and up see how they like it and double bunk them. Crooked corrupt police have destroyed these innocent peoples lives.
Take their pension fuck off Nathan lock the lying crooked bastards and up see how they like it and double bunk them. Crooked corrupt police have destroyed these innocent peoples lives.
Anne Perry in her books on Victorian crime has dealt with morals and value systems with sensitivity as a result of the crime she and a close friend commited. There was plenty of wrong-doing around and prejudice and class snobbery, promiscuity and sexual disease (syphilis) and desire for money and power. Similar to now only worse. We were getting better before humane living and tolerance for our fellows were replaced by setting zero targets for anything pollies decided to ban; money and things replaced the good stuff.
About the good cop William Monk.
Early ones are –
Publication Order of William Monk Books
The Face of a Stranger (1990)
Corridors of the Night (2015)
Revenge in a Cold River (2016)
An Echo of Murder (2017)
Dark Tide Rising (2018)
And there is also Thomas Pitt – the books with London names tend to be his story, about 32 books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Pitt_(character)
They make good reading and well thought out sociologically and psychologically. Some can be a bit dark. They could be good reading for cops. Most of them are probably young and know little about life deviant from the mainstream when they sign up.
The NZ Plods have been fit up merchants for ever. They have a dark, macho, misogynist, violent culture that has had a bit of PR spin applied in the 21st century, but the underlying structure maintains. They hold a grudge as the Crewe murder case and scores of others show. Martyn is likely right about the numbers of not guilty in jail–lots of mentally ill and illiterate, not capable of self advocacy.
The “sworn” officers are part of the State forces as many unionists and others exercising their freedom of speech, assembly and association well know.
Racial profiling, illegal DNA and photo acquirement, assault, threatening and accessing data bases are just part of their daily gig. The blue bellies are in the vast majority a pack of arseholes.