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  1. In the late 1980’s the booze industry, in the quest for more profits, targeted woman with products and marketing. They did this because woman were very unrepresented in alcohol consumption demographics and statistics.

    RTD’s were the booze pushers answer to the problem of woman not drinking enough alcohol.

    Over the following decades aided by various governments which could only be described as ‘Pro-drug’, as long as the drug was alcohol, we have seen the booze industry push their product by any and every means possible.

    Marketing was more targeted, Liquor outlets multiplied, prices dropped and they got their drug into the supermarkets.

    All this was done with the aim of selling more booze and avoiding any meaningful measures to minimize the damage caused by this drug or pay the proper costs associated with it

    The links between the booze industry and politicians is very strong and this seems to protect them from effective regulation or a proper amount of tax levied on their drug ( the excise tax should cover the extra health and crime costs caused by the booze).

    And the struggling print media seems afraid to bite the hand which feeds it and lose the substantial liquor advertising revenues they get. So booze crime and addiction gets downplayed and under-reported while ‘drug crimes’ get hyped and sensationalized. Witness the present ‘legal highs’ frenzy for instance. More of our kids will come to grief and even die because of booze, where’s the moral outrage about that?.

    It all seems a side show and distraction from our number 1 drug problem which is booze.

    The facts are that here in NZ it’s the number 1 drug for addiction,

    Its number 1 for assults, rapes and murders,

    number 1 for suicide,

    number 1 for car crashes and accidents,

    number 1 for disease and illness etc etc etc.

    Orwellian language is all around us and one of the best is “ Drugs and Alcohol”

    Because nice good people don’t take drugs …………………….

    1. thanks for all of this info was a really interesting reply, I hope to do more research and start pushing for alcohol law reform as well and want to so more writing on the subject.

  2. I haven’t lived in Aotearoa since 2000, but I never saw young women and teenage girls passed out in pools of vomit in the middle of the street like I have in Brisbane. I’ve been told by friends that they see similar sights in Britain. It is a real worry and, while I know they are still not saying yes, many young, and not so young, men seem to think they are. I hope you get the help and support you want and need.

    1. yeah the drinking culture is worse in oz than in nz, I think it is the amount of money in that country. The richer the country the more people drink…

  3. Alcohol is involved in 9 out of 10 rapes on university campuses…

    All alcohol does is lower inhibitions, it doesn’t make anyone a rapist. Having their inhibitions lowered might make rapists more likely to rape, but that isn’t the fault of alcoholic drinks manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers, advertisers or consumers, it’s the fault of rapists.

    1. I completely agree, in no way did I intend to insinuate alcohol is an excuse or a reason for rape, I just wanted to point out rapists often target women when they are vulnerable.

  4. Alcohol abuse has worried me for a long time, my father was an alcoholic and it eventually killed him. Because of his addiction I spent no time with my father and I last saw him when I was four. Alcohol destroys lives and whilst I don’t want prohibition I would _love_ to remove alcohol advertising and get alcohol out of supermarkets.

    Because of my father’s alcoholism and because I’m Catholic I felt called to become a Pioneer. It’s an extremely old fashioned group – the Pioneer Total Abstinence Association of the Sacred Heart. It was started by Fr. James Cullen in Dublin, in 1898. The idea is that members pledge to abstain from alcohol for life, say a special prayer twice a day, and wear a pin of the Association.

    http://www.pioneerassociation.ie/

    I’ve been teetotal now since September the 5th 2010. I really miss my summer G&Ts and my winter brandy & ginger ales etc. but seeing the damage that alcohol does makes me want to do something.

    I just wanted you to know that there are people out there praying for you (and everyone who suffers from alcohol abuse). I’m sorry I can’t offer you any practical help, but I wanted you to know you aren’t alone in your journey and that I’m sending you my best wishes.

    God bless and good luck.

  5. It sounds like psycho milt is defending a drug he probably enjoys ……

    And obviously he has not encountered the wild crazy drunks who can only be described as suffering from ‘alcohol psychosis’, a disease which causes a alcohol fueled crime wave every weekend. Our police force even bases its staffing levels in response to when kiwis drink … I presume the same goes for hospital ER staffing levels.

    Alcohol is a powerful and unpredictable drug which can and does do far more than ‘lower inhibitions’, shit thats only the first stage of ‘getting drunk’.

    We have these drinking myth’s which are usually benign and can be along the line of “it lowers inhibitions and it brings out your true personality”.

    And we have the drug myths about crazy violent drug users.

    But in the REAL New Zealand the “drug crazed nutter” that we or the police have to deal with is an ANGRY DRUNK …. and thats 99 times out of a 100.

    And many many rapes and sexual attacks would not have happened without alcohol. Thats a simple fact ……. go ask the roast busters.

    Booze pushers make Billions ………… rape crisis is starved for money.

    Its all linked and makes up the fabric of our society

    1. It sounds like psycho milt is defending a drug he probably enjoys …

      Not quite! I’m defending a drug I definitely enjoy.

      And obviously he has not encountered the wild crazy drunks who can only be described as suffering from ‘alcohol psychosis’, a disease which causes a alcohol fueled crime wave every weekend.

      As with the rapists, alcohol doesn’t “cause” people to commit crimes. It certainly clocks up a lot of negative health effects, but making people violent isn’t one of them – it just makes the violent less inhibited about indulging. I’ve been shitfaced drunk many times with many different people, without any of it resulting in violence – because the people involved weren’t arseholes. It’s people who determine what happens, not alcohol.

      Alcohol is a powerful and unpredictable drug which can and does do far more than ‘lower inhibitions’…

      Alcohol is a thoroughly predictable drug. The effects are well known and, well, predictable. It’s human behaviour that is unpredictable.

      And many many rapes and sexual attacks would not have happened without alcohol. Thats a simple fact …

      It’s an irrelevant fact. Rapes happen because a rapist decides to rape someone – a sober rapist might be less likely to rape someone, but alcohol has no magical power to turn an otherwise consent-respecting citizen into a rapist.

      1. I’m not comfortable with either/or statements like this. Yes a rapist is 100% responsible for the rape, I’d never question that, and I understand the emphasis you’re trying to make but it’s pretty obvious that alcohol is involved a lot of the time.

        I’d say it was a ‘facilitator’ and I’d hate to see it’s contribution ignored while we’re trying to change our culture to one that doesn’t produce potential rapists.

        “a sober rapist might be less likely to rape someone, but alcohol has no magical power to turn an otherwise consent-respecting citizen into a rapist”

        On reflection I don’t think I agree with this, boys are presented with a very, very distorted view of relationships and women while they’re growing up. Women are shown as being there for their benefit and for a young guy having grown up in a culture where children are routinely treated without dignity a great many of them are not going to ready for this situation.

        It took me a very long time to work out my own values around relationships and also to work out which values were inherited. If I had drunk more and also if I had been mistreated in any way as a child I probably would have been a candidate for this sort of thing (as would any guy in our culture). Unfortunately for the guys who meet the criteria trying to live with what they have done will change them forever too.

        Again I don’t want anyone to mistake this as an apology for rape – but we have a major problem here and we’re letting down our boys as well as our girls in the way we raise children.

        Have a look at Jessie’s article for another method of preventing rapes that most people haven’t yet cottoned on to https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/04/07/go-give-your-kid-a-hug/

        1. If I had drunk more and also if I had been mistreated in any way as a child I probably would have been a candidate for this sort of thing (as would any guy in our culture).

          I’d love to hear what crime-inducing qualities alcohol is supposed to possess, and what the chemical mechanism for its operation is supposed to be. As far as I know, it does nothing more than lower whatever facade you present to society when sober. If the facade you normally present is that you’re not a thug or a rapist, then yes other people are in serious danger when you drink. However, that’s not the fault of alcohol or its manufacturers, sellers or advertisers.

          This is in any case tangential to the actual point of the post – not many women are dangerous to others when pissed, their problem is more that many men remain a danger to them but their ability to recognise and defend against that threat is lowered. Still not alcohol’s fault, mind you.

          1. My point was that young men when pissed (which yes, is getting off the main topic) are in a situation where a lot of their value systems are not fully formed and consist of a lot of stuff that has just been handed to them.

            One value that kids have reinforced every day is that people with power over you get to treat you how they like and do what they like.

            The next value is that people with power are nicer to you if other people are watching

            The story that boys get from the media is that women are there for their benefit.

            If you put all of that inside a young person, who’s frontal cortex is probably offline (and certainly will be if they’re drunk) there’s going to be problems.

            Saying that all alcohol does is lower your facade is fairly judgmental and doesn’t take into account the complexities of the situation. Pointing out that the alcohol itself isn’t responsible for the crime is a useful way to think about an issue for a moment but back in the real world it’s a simple fact that a lot of crimes wouldn’t happen if people hadn’t drunk so much.

          2. You bet I’m judgmental when it comes to people who commit violent crimes – me and the criminal justice system both. And should you find one of your mates trying to rape a drunk girl, I really, really hope you will not quietly leave him to it and tell yourself “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

            It is indeed a simple fact that many crimes wouldn’t happen if people didn’t drink alcohol, just as it’s a simple fact that many injuries wouldn’t happen if people didn’t play sport and many incidents of child abuse and STDs wouldn’t happen if people didn’t have sex with people they weren’t married to. However, people aren’t going to stop doing those things, so these are not very useful facts if you’re looking for guides for action. They help us identify behaviour that involves risk, but that’s about it.

      2. I don’t think that alcohol can make someone rape, but I do think that taking a drug that can affect how people perceive social behaviours can lead to problems.

        Alcohol impairs our judgement, it’s why people who drive safely sober, kill people when driving drunk. Just as the perception required for driving a car is inhibited by alcohol, so is the perception needed for interpersonal relationships. Alcohol is a powerful drug that causes cognitive function to change, it affects the central nervous system because it’s psychoactive.

        When people have a wine or whisky because they enjoy the taste, that’s fine, but when people drink to become intoxicated then they are using it as a drug. People intoxicated on drugs don’t always make good judgements. I’m not saying we should stop this kind of drug use, but let’s be honest about the harm it causes people. And let’s be honest about the money it makes big business.

        1. No arguments from me against honesty – there is risk involved in drug use and the people raking in fat profits from it are not model citizens. I’d like to see drunkenness made an aggravating rather than mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing – make people actually face up to the fact that they are taking a risk when they do this.

          1. One of things I’ve noticed is the amount of drinking that goes on in some tv shows, Step Dave is a perfect example. The amount of alcohol that is consumed by characters on that show would drop a horse. I’m not sure if it is blatant product placement or social commentary that when people have issues they reach for the wine.

  6. I’ve always believed that marihjuana should be legal and alcohol banned or severely restricted. But does any prohibition ever work? I don’t think so.

    We really need a massive education campaign and maybe a return to the days of making public intoxication illegal. Maybe like a “spot Fine”? I’d also like to see less alcohol advertising and discounting made illegal. This is after all a drug.

  7. Well said Chloe! It seems that when NZ de-regulated the booze industry, our wisdom to drink sensibly wasn’t equal with our abilities to promote alcohol. We are like a bunch of kids at an after school Ball piss-up and we’re all having to pay the cost.

  8. Alcohol is very predictable on society ……….. when alcohol consumption increases so does violent crime.

    It’s one of the few drugs that is ‘crimenogenic’ ………… its presence and consumption ALWAYS leads to more violent crime and disorder offences.

    Its effect on the brain apart from being neuro-toxic ( it kills brain cells ) is to dull and turn of the ‘reasoning’ part of the brain while amplifying our emotional responses ……. ie it makes you stupid and highly emotional.

    Some people suffer full blown alcohol psychosis where the drug alcohol has turned otherwise normal sane people into raving irrational lunatics.

    Those addicted to it can die from with-drawls.

    But although booze is this powerful drug which when abused can cause huge suffering including a lot of innocent victims ( drunk drivers, drunken assaults etc ), the steps to minimizing its harms are quite simple.

    Get it out of the supermarkets and control its marketing ………. it IS a drug and its pushed like no other

    And set the excise tax at a level which pays for the costs caused by its consumption.

    All those extra cops, doctors , jail cells and hospital beds needed and filled by booze should be funded by booze.

    The present state of affairs is taxpayers and society are picking up the tab for drug pushers which is exactly what the liquor industry is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHI-4NWB8n0

  9. Well done Chloe for being brave and admitting you have a problem, that’s a start to moving forward in a more healthy way for yourself.
    You need to stop drinking love, and you need to stop now. Yes it’s going to be painful, however the pain of avoidance is always far greater than the pain we feel once we actually face it.
    Remember that – what you are doing now to avoid pain is worse than the pain that lies beneath. You can do it, and you need to do it. Please.

    What’s fascinating about this discourse is that while it seems to me Chloe is plainly asking for support in admitting she has a problem that is getting worse, ALMOST NO ONE has acknowledged that in this thread. There’s your typical societal avoidance right there!
    I’m guilty, I’ve let go of a friend rather than express to her that I feel she is an alcoholic, we don’t like to rock the boat. Well we need to and we need to get real, we are a very repressed society, and TV etc does encourage it, of course it does.

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