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  1. +100 I agree with this POST…Australia must take responsibility! ….NOT
    New Zealand!

    …Australia must NOT be let off the hook! Australia is in danger of becoming a rogue criminal nation. It has a very poor record on human rights

    …we should NOT be a second class dumping ground for Australia …if New Zealand becomes a soft touch it will never end ( why should we become a convict colony for THE CONVICT COLONY?)

    …and it isn’t as if they treat New Zealanders who have been brought up in Australia that well either!…they are detaining, incarcerating and ejecting Australians with New Zealand ancestry who have been brought up in Australia, have their families in Australia and their whole lives in Australia…for very minor crimes

    TOUGH LINE ON AUSTRALIA!…or they will walk all over us!

  2. It is difficult to see why Australia should have to keep criminals who are not citizens of Australia. Even if they learnt their crime within Australia. You belong where you are born.

    Just as it would not be necessary for New Zealanders to keep non Citizens if they are criminals or commit crime here. For you belong where you are born.

    After all, we have a high incidence of crime here and no apparent solution towards eradicating it.

  3. We should be taking retaliatory action against Australia. And removing the free entry privileges of of Australians.

    Compare the free entry of White Majority Settler Country Australia to the controlled entry afforded Pacific Islander countries. The native people of the region who once freely roamed the Pacific before the entry of the various rival European colonising empires into the region.

    Currently the New Zealand government is looking into easing the controlled entry from Polynesia into New Zealand in the face of climate change.

    How will climate refugees be determined? Will we wait until the Island nations are being regularly hit by super storms that smash their homes and ruin their crops?
    Will we wait till famine and disease caused by salt water intrusion into formerly arable low lying island nations are killing people by the hundreds, or even thousands?

    Will we be waiting for these climate change driven events to occur, ‘before’ we allow the sort of free entry we allow majority white Australia?

    When will the colonialist racist double standard we apply to the ‘controlled’ entry of Pacific Island people into this country, compared to free entry of Australians be ended?

    Now?

    After people start dying?

    Not even then?

    The truth is that both Australia and New Zealand have been running a race based immigration system modified from the original “White New Zealand” immigration. Australia’s White Australia maybe a little less reconstructed from their earlier White Australia policy but not much

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/white-new-zealand-policy-introduced

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98429364/Government-considering-experimental-climate-change-visa?cid=app-iPad

    1. re “The native people of the region who once freely roamed the Pacific before the entry of the various rival European colonising empires into the region.”

      …well of course the same arguments could be made against China by the Tibetans

      https://www.freetibet.org/

      https://freetibet.org/about/environment

      …and any colonised country eg against Israel’s takeover of Palestine and the treatment of the Palestinians

  4. Another question is are the refugees who are and already have been accepted into N.Z. properly assimilated.I know people who work with refugees. They are saying that the present provisions for integrating refugees are not adequate.The refugees receive help for a year, and are then left much to their own devices.What help is given is mainly oriented towards the women and children through play and education centres and volunteer agencies . This is largely how they learn English and our culture.The men on the other hand are being left out and unless they get steady employment are likely to be isolated from the “N.Z community”.It is easy for men in this situation to congregate in alienated groups, which is not going to produce good outcomes.

    1. New Zealand’s role in creating The Migrant Refugee crises has increased in the last 9 years and now those that are responsible for this mess and on opposition benches groaning that the current government will have to deal with a tiny tiny bit of The Crises.

      Iirc the 1951 convention on the status of refugees says you must have earn less than $3 (it was less than $3. Don’t recall exactly) Well at least 2 billion of the worlds population are on less than $3 a week. Some don’t even earn that much in a year. And why is this? Well it’s because western governments (America mostly) pretty much say you can only do with your natural resources what we tell you to. And what they tell them to do is the same as what elites say, “you can only do the stuff that make the rich elite even richer.” Just morally bankrupt.

      Now the status of the refugees in question are quite clear. They’ve all been through no less than 5 years dentention as undocumented for legal reasons. One reason is because they have been assessed as litigimate refugees but for political reasons can’t be allowed in to Australia of risk an overwhelming wave of migrant refugees. If they stay as they are they will be tormented. If they return they will be tormented. And if they we allow them into NZ with out treating them with the kind of dignity we find hard to show even our own, they will be tormented.

      And this isn’t a matter of funds or resources. I could take you through the detail if you want. There’s plenty of resources. We just don’t have the brains. But more importantly the politcal will and an understanding of global macro economics.

  5. NZ offered to take 150 refugees from Manus.

    Australia never acted on it. That is still live.

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