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  1. You can only push down on a coiled spring by a certain distance. It isn’t possible for 90% of the population to be continuously ground down forever, without some kind of eventual reaction.

    The early signs of mass discontent were the sudden rise of Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. We are now going through a global strike wave, where suddenly Railwaymen’s Union secretary Mick Lynch has become a household name.

    What has been exposed so far is the disorganisation of the working class, and the resulting lack of progressive political leadership. Organised labour is, these days, just not that organised — and much too dominated by the liberal political machine.

    1. 90% ground down? A bit high Kristoff. From my observation trickle down has worked for a good many. Comfortably well off, employed often in well paid jobs and discretionary spending, less now if you have a mortgage. But, yes, for many increasing difficult and for some that sinking feeling. But not 90%.

  2. Fear is the greatest motivator, when things get bad enough people will unite probably under whoever has the loudest voice although that does not necessarily mean that it will be a good thing.

  3. NZ fast-tracks citizenship for high-value immigrants to build their dooms day bunkers in Queenstown and wants their super yachts to come here for yet another refit and tax breaks for movie makers. Then the reason CEOs get paid millions is that if we didn’t pay the worldwide rate they will go elsewhere, yet, we will not apply the same argument to nurses. Then John Key sold the power companies to his mates or the pretext of providing better social services, and now his rich mates are getting fatter and the benefits to the taxpayers didn’t eventuate

  4. Let’s not forget the Black Lives Mansions movement that were allowed to protest under lockdown.
    Somehow it was for kiwis to protest police brutality in the USA.
    Huge success.
    Virtue was signalled, covid spread and the founders of the movement siphoned off millions of dollars on property.

    1. All protest is good protest. Killing people for misdemeanour crime particularly black people. When a white Australian female was shot dead by U.S. police the Australian foreign minister was straight on the phone. Black Americans don’t have the luxury of representation. So they grab onto whatever they can grab in a greedy selfish oppressed and scared nation.

  5. The neo liberal state, the atomisation of the collective into grasping or alienated individuals, the ascent of post modernist “anything means anything” philosophy, the dissipation of the hard left, a class collaborationist central labour organisation, the NZ preponderance of the petit bourgeois and reactionary self employed, are obviously formidable obstacles to new mass movements.

    The impact over the next decade of the generational power shift has not been factored in by many grey beard pundits. A generation has been raised knowing little of the previous analogue and pre Rogernomics world. So the answers and action will be likely be way different from what old school leftists might have wished for.

    But defeatism is not acceptable now, anymore than it was in slave, feudal, or colonial societies “ooh we better not do anything because the inquisition will get us…” Peoples resistance and technological advance always arise in the end.

    As Bob Dylan is reputed to have said to Hunter Thompson–“we may not be able to defeat the bastards just yet but we don’t have to join them!” Never say never in politics is a wise truism.

    “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”
    ― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

  6. I don’t think NZ’s biggest problem in government is a lack of money – there’s plenty of cash to create more and more consultants and committees in government, after all and pay for near million dollar new builds for a select few Kainga ora tenants.

    What is more ominous is that formally non political state agencies and civil servants who are supposed to be non political are going woke, and putting woke political theories such as critical race theory, at the forefront while getting rid of anybody who does not agree. This is against the tenant that NZ public servants should not be political and neither should our education system.

    From the UK – same problem -while this whistleblower got a settlement, growing lack of freedom of speech into political ideology sweeping public service in the west.

    Sacked civil servant wins £100,000 after reporting ‘Whitehall activism’
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sacked-civil-servant-wins-100-000-after-reporting-whitehall-activism-qzfj338bh

    “A sacked civil servant has received a £100,000 settlement after she reported concerns about political activists operating in Whitehall and expressed her belief that people cannot change sex.

    Anna Thomas, 32, had said that political activism was infiltrating the civil service and cited the dissemination of critical race theory in the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

    Thomas, formerly a work coach at a Jobcentre in Portsmouth, tried to raise the alarm about resources for staff, including an exercise asking employees to “assume” that they were racist.”

    Can mātauranga Māori help us understand climate change?
    https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/05/30/can-matauranga-maori-help-us-understand-climate-change/

    Puberty blockers etc are being pushed into the syllabus. However anybody reading what is really going on with NZ youth would be thinking one of the biggest problems is now anger management – the more they are taught about identity the more angry and mentally ill NZ youth seem to be getting. It is destroying NZ youth and no wonder NZ students are now truant in record proportions – they increasingly know that what they are learning is gobbledegook.

    Oranga Tamariki’s cruel critical race theory finally wears down Pakeha Foster Family
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/03/21/oranga-tamarikis-cruel-critical-race-theory-finally-wears-down-pakeha-foster-family/

    Note Oranga Tamariki also allowed this child to be beaten with a hammer as she was in their parents care, maybe because the mother is fluent in te reo, who knows? Does not bode well when tamariki are allowed to be abused by parents as state agencies release back to abusive parents, and the ideology about critical race theory and te reo is more important than stopping abuse.

    Mother who beat child, hid injuries under face paint fails to reduce jail sentence
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mother-who-beat-child-hid-injuries-under-face-paint-fails-to-reduce-jail-sentence/UZ77UQ6U2FG3FIB4HGGCGJIMXQ/

    “At the time, the girl was 9 and subject to a custody order placing her under Oranga Tamariki, but was in her mother’s day-to-day care.

    Court documents state the woman had hit the girl repeatedly on her body, punched her repeatedly on the lip and hit her on the head with a hammer.

    The girl’s injuries included extensive bruising from head to toe, a nasal bone fracture, cuts on her face, a cut and swollen lower lip and multiple abrasions.

    The woman did not seek medical help for the girl but put her on the flight, dressing her in a long-sleeved turtle-necked top and applying thick face paint to hide the injuries.”

    “A Napier mother in jail for punching and hitting her daughter with a hammer, and then trying to hide the injuries under face paint on an Air New Zealand flight, has failed in a bid to have her sentence reduced.

    The woman went to the Court of Appeal, trying to introduce new evidence about the impact that colonisation and intergenerational violence had on wāhine Māori and their ability to care for whānau.”

  7. Bonnie. Fear can also immobilise people, and in the workplace, particularly a government workplace, there are numerous ways of getting rid of people who stick their necks out and thus get dubbed troublemakers, including by fellow workers.

    Downtrodden people can be too occupied with day-to-day living to have the time or the energy to consider their own interests, or to know how to. Most parents though will leap into action when their children are under threat, or victimised, but again, they don’t always know what’s going on. The disgraceful dumbing down of the education system, and it’s infiltration by damaging ideological interests is case in point here, and the only certainty is that the scoundrels who enable this, won’t be the ones who fix it. This is another reason why both Labour and National need to go.

  8. To what extent could you ever get a mass movement that would substantially change the wealth and income distribution in New Zealand? It is worth noting that New Zealand sits in the middle of the OECD in that regard. At one stage we had just about the flattest wealth distribution in the OECD, but that was over 40 years ago, pre the 1984-87 reforms of Lange and Douglas. Income distribution is essentially the same as it was 30 years ago. Wealth distribution has become somewhat more unequal due to property and share value increases over the last 20 years.

    Martyn says there are 3,100 people who are ultra wealthy with $50 million or more. In reality that is 3,100 families, which is about 0.1% of all families. I personally would question whether someone with $50 million is ultra wealthy. Obviously wealthy, yes, but to me ultra wealth denotes at least the low hundreds of millions. Super yachts and all of that.

    There are about 3 million families in New Zealand. One percent is 30,000. Rashbooke says the entry point to the 1% is about $7 million. A family with a reasonable house in Epsom, a beach house and a rental or two qualifies. So do about two thirds of all full time farms.

    Martyn also includes another 10% as enablers of the 1 % and the 0.1%. Of course a large percentage of that 10% will get into the 1% as they become older and accumulate more assets.

    Another way of looking at this is that nearly a quarter of National’s and Act’s support base fit into these various wealth categories. In fact it will be more than a quarter, probably at least a half. Basically just about all farmers, small to medium business owners (including tradespeople with 1 or 2 employees), plus a significant number of urban professionals. In wealth terms, basically in the top 20%.

    Wealth is age related. The twenty somethings don’t own as much as the fifty somethings. But they may have the same aspirations.

    What is the point of of this analysis? It is not the 99% against the 1%. It is much more like the 50% against the 50%. In short, the democratic contest between the Left and the Right.

    1. Ah I see, you don’t understand that Martyn has two different arguments going at once.

      1. Genetics is a very important factor in determining a person’s future success, this can be a bigger factor than the environment he or she grew up in.

      2. Despite this, sometimes people with very similar environments and identical genetics turn out very differently. Statistics are only useful when applied to groups, not individuals.

      Also it’s kind of silly to say the distribution of wealth is irrelevant to the debate of wealth inequality isn’t it? You’re completely missing Martyn’s point. He’s not saying wealth distribution is irrelevant, I’m saying it’s not his argument, which was primarily about income distribution.

      The problem with all your numbers is that it doesn’t take into account the educational and experience disparity between government employees and the private sector. The studies that took into account those factors concluded that the bureaucrats bureaucrats total compensation is roughly similar to the private sector.

      In reality, labour’s share of income has actually risen over the past few decades in nonfinancial sectors. The reason for the greater inequality and increasing capital’s share of income in the overall economy can be attributed solely to sector shift towards financial services.

      Personal motivation is a facet of your personality. It cannot explain everything with genetics and environment, since you can place two identical twins in the same exact environment and end up with two very different personalities.

      You’re also avoiding Martyn’s point, which is that your genetics has just as much if not to do with how you ended up as your environment. The famed Dunedin studies are very good examples of this. Students who went to shitty gang infested schools ended up with the same grades, test scores, and had the same high school attendance rates as students who went to wealthy schools. Their unify trait? All of them applied for the better schools but only some were admitted(using a lotto).

      For the more statistically challenged. Wealth have risen but not at the same rates as income. The 1% just got better at preserving thier wealth. The perception of young people is “your rich, whaaaaa. I want some for free.”

      This is why we should have finishing schools and boot camps. Your daddy got you a promotion? That’s nice, now let’s see you defend that right on the fields of battle.

  9. You sure are right Chris, the problem we have is the PMC have ringfenced the ‘high ground’ and not believing in democracy have emerged as the arbiters of who gets what.

    Maori and unemployed – decolonise and throw money at it, no matter how effective or absurd the recipient, stateless trans activist fear grifter, bend over backwards by offering citizenship and free transitioning surgery, poor, vulnerable white males burn them to the ground, throw in a bit of performative weeping and rending of garments and then forget about them.

    It doesnt matter what label these people put on themselves (Left, progressive, indigenous etc) they are all pigs at a trough. Literally – what used to be known as ‘Champagne socialists’. Typical cases in point. Highly paid long time union boss admits he has rental property (S)? for his retirement (What’s wrong with that you ask, the 35% extra cost on housing the average family has to pay due to the presence of speculators in the market) and, the Waipereira Trust who is merely a commission agency (so doesnt do anything except award contracts) is paying its 15 Senior Managers around $390K on average.

    How can any of these people have the right (or the brass balls) to say they represent the downtrodden? You can sit there and say well you woud do the same in their place. But that’s where the pedal hits the metal, some have been there and not done it because they honestly believed in what they were doing.

    Can you imagine Norm Kirk stacking up a beach lodge and a few rentals? No. Because at one point, many of us did have principles that went far beyond enjoying the fruits of our privilege and it used to be that the prerequisite for political office was to care about the country and it’s people and not about the power and wealth it would bring. Because make no mistake, our politicians and leaders are almost all ‘to a man’ about themselves first and the people second. Or in many cases, their virtuosity second and the people third.

    Sadly Chris is right, intersectionality has terminated any collective togetherness and it will now be through only the direst of circumstances that we will come back together. Either economic collapse or worse still, some kind of civil war brought about by the deep divisions being created by the authoritarian muppets in our halls of power and their friends the PMC. It will take an existential threat to make people move together and none of the options are good.

  10. Throughout the world laws are being made to curb these eco terrorists who exibit their anger at life under the guise of saving the plant. zThe only want us to exist on their terms.

  11. Fantail, can you please explain what PMC means? The closest explanation googled is Private Military Company which doesn’t fit with your (i’m sure) very cogent comment. Selfish though I am, 30 seconds on your part will save me 10 minutes of guessing. Thank you for your trouble.

    1. Professional, Managerial Classes ie: those who think they have the education and power to make decisions unilaterally for the other 90?% Particularly, middle and senior governmental, quango and other workers who see their role as setting standards and direction for the rest of us.

  12. Chris do you think the wealthy think they are beyond the borders of the common or working folk? Could there ever be an uprising now the neo liberal agenda is so deeply ingrained in society? (I think part of this agenda was setup to protect the powerful from the people) I f u think there has never been an uprising in a western country since those times. Interesting read. Thought provoking.

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