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  1. Labour is full of privileged people with arts degrees who have never achieved anything outside of academia. You are probably expecting too much from them.

    1. Inside academia?

      Grant Robertsons BA honours dissertation (his highest level academic qualification) was an account of the restructuring of Otago University students Association in the 1980s. This was essentially an undergraduate level essay with no central thesis other than it represented a “step to the right”. This qualification thrust him into the heady heights of Minster of Finance within the Labour Government and subsequently Vice Chancellor of Otago University – deserved or not, you be the judge?

  2. Labour are damaged goods and nothing but a decade and a complete reinvention is going to change that.

    1. Veteran socialist George Galloway has won another dramatic by-election victory, spanking the major parties so bad that two Third Party candidates came first and second. Labour were reduced to single digits!

      Jeremy Corbyn has been booted out of his own party, despite being the most popular Labour politician. He too will have no choice but to run Third Party when he stands again.

      Considering that the Clintonite parties are now despised even in “Red Wall Labour” seats, and that the Greens have near-zero support outside wealthy electorates, why would organised labour even bother with either party? The mass working class support behind the Corbyn-Sanders-Mélenchon movement needs to coalesce internationally, on the basis of Third Party runs in Rust Belt seats.

  3. I’ve been saying this for years, but Labour are deaf and blind. Hundreds of thousands of potential labour voters simply don’t vote. Their take on it seems to be that either there is no difference between the major parties – not necessarily true these days given the influence of minor parties – all that there is simply nothing in it for them. I’ve been suggesting that Labour try to organise these people but they are completely uninterested, I suspect because it would mean hard work, because the unions don’t exist any more to do that work for them. They’d sooner do the Blairite thing of fiddling around the edges of neoliberalism in the hopes of capturing some of National’s middle-class vote.
    That will work perhaps but not long-term. It cements in the cyclical nature of New Zealand elections. I’m tempted to give up voting myself except I wouldn’t then feel I had the right to be bitching about political parties and what they do to the country.

  4. The purpose of the new labour movements is to make the right look good.

    When they’re in we get shite lite neo liberal economic policies and a massive attack on rights and freedoms. They are the other side of the same coin. No prime minister has freedom to do anything other than the bidding of the ruling class. The only difference between the two is National do it willingly and Labour (at least some of them) appear to do it grudgingly.

    ‘Labour reform’ will be nothing more than a rebranding and the eventual disappearance of a large enough electorate that benefits from National’s ponzi schemes – and thus a change of regime.

    …or you could vote green and have the government slowly repossess your house.

  5. It’s the unions that are key, and when they hold a summit they should speak plainly to Labour:

    “We created you, and if you won’t do your job, we will destroy you!

    Housing is a right – exploitable migrants are not – get your shit together and get the job done.

    And let us hear not another peep of your fauxgressive agenda until every New Zealander is housed and fed.”

    1. One can hope for such a revolt, but the sad fact is that union executive leadership in NZ has been infected by the same PMC types who came up in the ‘left’-neoliberal wing of student politics as occupy the official ‘Labour’ party. Just look at Tiny Andrew Little. They have to go too.

      We need to support rank-and-file organizing against the collaborators.

    2. Won’t happen Stuart because the biggest unions are all middle class now.

  6. It is premature to say that Darlene Tana is guilty as charged. We in the public have yet to see the evidence behind the allegations, and we should suspend judgement on her case until we have.
    However there are legitimate questions to be asked about candidate selection in the colonialist political system where evidence of moral character is the missing element. This problem is particularly marked in identity politics where a candidate can score points for being indigenous/immigrant/gay/female/refugee/business owner etc etc without anyone taking the time to look deeply into their moral character. Since identity politics fits naturally within the MMP system, it is a particular problem for the minor list parties, but is by no means limited to them, as the revelations about disgraceful conduct by more than a few Labour and National electorate MPs can attest.

  7. Don’t be so truthful and nasty Martyn; we don’t want to talk about it! Never. How dare you say that. NZ doesn’t do things like that – well hardly ever.
    Here is someone Indian? pondering on something as we rarely think about – well thinking is what we do ‘hardly ever’.
    I find this guy commendable and an exemplar for us as we need to change.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2lsbmVGY1g

  8. She sounded like she was useless anyway. Better for someone else to have the job.

  9. Labour faffed around for 9 years playing musical leaders while Key swanned around pretending to do stuff.
    If they sit on their hands again, they will be sunk.
    Get the obvious people into positions in which they have ample experience and start making hits on this idiot govt.
    Do not expect voters to forgive and forget about that pathetic election campaign. But the Nasties also ran a pathetic campaign and Labour would not have lost if they’d been decisive enough to stick to some hard-hitting policies like CGT. But waffling around being afraid to offend people will not work.

    Luxon has absolutely no credibility as a leader. People don’t like him any more now that he’s PM, than they did before the election. He’s gaffe-prone and contemptuous of everyone.
    He can be told a fact and immediately does a Trump and whines, ‘It’s not fair’.
    Winston is no asset as he proved again today and Seymour and his band of miss-fits are a danger to everyone. Even themselves.
    They all embarrass themselves so why is it so hard is for Labour to embarrass them.

    By not doing so you reinforce the idea that country boy often states. You are just as badly compromised by big business as they are.

  10. O’Connor doesn’t want Police, he’s just feeding from the trough, hell he probably wouldn’t have held on to Ohairu if anyone more competent and less heinous than Nicola Willis was running against him

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