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  1. The best thing we can do for the NZ Labour party is to vote them out.
    Re elected they will continue to to destroy the brand and give the finger to their base.
    There is a chance they can reform but it could be a decade.
    Yes it’s going to be bad, perhaps no worse than the Ruthenasia years but it needs to be done.

    1. Accelerationism doesn’t even work in FPP democracies, look at the US electing Biden after 4 years of Trump and the UK about to elect Kier Starmer after 14 years of the Tories when both had the option of a true leftist in Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn… but it’s especially unnecessary here with MMP, if you don’t think Labour is left enough then vote Green or Te Pati Maori! Letting Luxon and Seymour come to power will not only cause a great deal more harm the next 3 years but it will make liberals supports so desperate that we could end up with a Labour government in 2026 that makes Jacinda look like Noam Chomsky

    2. A new Third Party is the only way forward. The Parliamentary Labour Party have gerrymandered the leadership elections such that no insurgent candidate can ever win.

    3. Accelerationism doesn’t even work in FPP democracies, look at the US electing Biden after 4 years of Trump and the UK about to elect Kier Starmer after 14 years of the tories when both had the option of a true leftist in Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn, but with MMP it’s especially unnecessary as if you’re frustrated with Labour’s inaction you can vote for the Greens or Te Pati Maori.
      Letting NACT win will not only cause so much more harm the next 3 years but will make liberals so desperate that we could end up with a Labour PM in 2026 or 2029 that makes Jacinda look like Noam Chomsky…
      If the left vote, the left win!

  2. I kind of like Chippy but he is doing the same as JA did and swallowing the cool aid of political spin doctors making himself more distant from what voters want to hear.

    Attacking opposition before you mention a new policy in an interview is a negative positive. People will turn off quicker and not get to the positive. Start with the positive which people will hear first before possibly tuning out.

    Also these lolly jar promises quite often from all parties fail one very important piece of information – when will they be up and running from/into what quarter/annual budget?

    Labour seem to be promising a hell of a lot in bigger numbers now – I feel the PHARMAC and Dental will be this governments 100 Thousand Houses built but instead of Twyford it is Chippy.

  3. Not sure the angry vote is as big as we’re told. Angry people make lots more noise than calm ones. I think there’s a solid central rump that just wanna see things done reasonably well, with proper oversight, by people who have spent careers becoming good skilled enough to do it. I’m not convinced that Luxon’s ‘rock solid’, ‘I’m confident’, ‘what I’m saying to you’ jibber jabber will wash for much longer. He’s clearly been well trained to obfuscate and avoid, and he’s expert at it, but heartland NZ don’t like flim flam operators. The Mike Hosking crowd are always going to vote for men in smart blue suits selling aspirational tickets to the car show, but there’s a central right wing part of NZ that’s reasonably asking Nact to make sense. They’ve got a few weeks ahead of themselves, they better start making some or they’re for the high jump. Oh. And. Welcome back Winnie – I could never vote your way, but hell I’m grateful to hear your voice in our polity.

  4. Nicola Willis is so inept she will crash and burn our economy. Fortunately Robertson has such brilliance to help us through the toughest global economic times in our history. Clearly lost on those with little understanding of economics.

  5. There has been some wasteful spending under Labour. And inflation did go up. But these two are not linked. Most inflation is imported, primarily in the high price of petrol. And much inflation was caused by the reserve bank propping up the economy in 2020-21, by putting in more money into it. These two main factors are out of the control of Labour. They were external factors. The Reserve bank and opec are independent entities.
    Labour had some projects that never got started, and some that never got far enough, and that is what you have in a healthy democracy with a competition of ideas. It’s easy in hindsite to say what were good ideas and what were not, but democracy is the competition of ideas. If we were able to forcast which ideas were the best, then we would all be rich stock market investors, having never chosen a bad investment.
    The competiton of ideas shows how democratic Labour is. The flipside is dictatorship.

  6. But there are plenty of jobs advertised if people want to work.
    NZs just don’t want to work, they’d rather be supported by the state.
    Two well-worn phrases – sort of like a magic carpet that never wears thin because real people don’t tread on it, and it always is away from the gravity of real life and its myriad ruts that seem to have got deeper and harder to climb out of since the magic vehicle of commercial management has enfolded us in its choking fog.

    Good analogies, similes whatever etc! Every right- or wrong thinking person must agree with me – because it is experienced by most of us, it’s true.

    I was trying out my music tapes to see which still go. Just playing some Handel to widen my narrow musical palate. ‘Onmbra Mai Fu’ prompted me to look on Google for translation. And this wikepedia info is something to think on by us all in society floundering at the end of an era* – look for new ways to do things, improve on old ways, just don’t throw all away if it doesn’t work well – rework it and keep the good – just make it better.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombra_mai_fu
    …The opera was a commercial failure, lasting only five performances in London after its premiere. In the 19th century, however, the aria was rediscovered and became one of Handel’s best-known pieces. Handel adapted the aria from the setting by Giovanni Bononcini, who, in turn, adapted it from the setting by Francesco Cavalli.
    All three composers had produced settings of the same opera libretto by Nicolò Minato. ..

    “Ombra mai fu” (“Never was a shade…”), also known as “Largo from Xerxes” or “Handel’s Largo”, is the opening aria from the 1738 opera Serse by George Frideric Handel.

    *End of an era : W.H.Auden wrote:
    “Uncertain and afraid
    As the clever hopes expire
    Of a low dishonest decade:
    Waves of anger and fear
    Circulate over the bright
    And darkened lands of the earth…”
    https://poets.org/poem/september-1-1939

  7. Winston and NZF are the only logical way forward this Election otherwise the lower socio-economic groups are going to get slaughtered the next three years by NACT.

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