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  1. ‘ The Greens may be able to profitably harvest pitiful, flaky, white weakness election after election..’
    Best, most pointed line I’ve read on this website.

  2. Considering the history of TPM supporting National to gain the baubles of power they are not in a position to claim any sort of moral superiority. I don’t have much confidence in Labour either, but in a choice to find the best of a bad bunch in the coming election, they are probably the least worst option. Having the division they have on what is supposed to be the same team suggests to me that they do not have the required level of humility to enable them to make decisions that help the wider population.

  3. Despite everything I predict JT will prevail, he’s far smarter than his opponents.

  4. I’m trying to remain on top not folding like a concertina without a squwark? over NZ politics. I don’t say ‘our politics’ because those supporting the present regime are not true Kiwis. At this moment I haven’t read through this no doubt excellent post. But absorbing a bit I am wondering if JT is a divisive point for people some Maori, though he deserves better, and people with a bone to pick should not scrap at a crucial time for both Maori and all that’s left of NZAO. And perhaps he could step aside for a while in a noble gesture and spend time on working out a framework for Maori future serving the Maori Queen’s program. That would give the confused people pulled between JT, Tikanga, tribal choice, also general and Maori female advancement. All those are hard to cope with when people are unable to quietly distil the most important issue at the moment.

    Hone stepped aside and spent his time where he could help his hapu and iwi in a real and solid way; or that seems to be the way of things from my not well informed pakeha understanding. If JT can keep on with the knitting while the lightweights and personally ambitious put themselves and their mana before those of pan-tribal Maori standing maybe a recovery by early next year is possible and we could see Maori rising steadily and inexorably. I hope that is the case, pakeha have been unable to make the Westminster political system work for a good democracy, and further the government has turned itself into a business agency selling off the achievements and attributes of NZAO, to foreigners trying to possess the world.

    We thought our nation and country was sacrosanct and enduring for citizens and the land. But beliefs are immaterial and can change quickly as Roger Douglas recommended (and I think he was probably sold that idea by someone sharper) and so we have lost ours here, just as in their home place in the UK and we won’t mention USA. So concentrate on outcomes wanted, and work back to how they can best be achieved, and do it over Christmas.

    Some further thoughts on how we need to think and ponder.
    At Christmas religion should be honoured then, but Jesus didn’t say life was a ball, and I bet that no other religion said that either. Money being able to buy material things, now we need to think beyond to immaterial, spiritual. When one starts to read philosophy which I have never had in my studies, telling comments occur from
    Nietzsche and Schopenhauer.
    What was Schopenhauer’s famous quote?
    Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills. Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. Compassion is the basis of morality.
    Arthur Schopenhauer – Quotes – IMDb https://www.imdb.com › name › quotes

  5. Ok it clear you don’t like JT. But why? And why should he stand down? And why did Ferris and Kapa-kingi join Te Pati Māori with JT as President and the co-leaders in established place to get elected and then stage a coup at this critical time?? What are their reasons for this? They don’t like the leadership? That is a joke and no party would stand for this. What is wrong with them? TPM Losing the leadership half way through the term is crazy especially with what is happening with this Coc up govt. This disruption dose not serve their electorates or Maoridom or the left in NZ.

    1. Unclear who or what you are referring to LC, ‘Ok it clear you don’t like JT.’. Perhaps you could make sure that your mind is clear, and then make your statements and references clear also.

  6. I agree with you Lone Comet and I don’t trust Kapa Kingi and Ferris and Kaipara seems a bit flakey.
    JT needs to remain leader especially when we have to get rid of the rotten COC who are kicking Māori and working class NZers in the guts, while also trying to hock our countries few remaining assets of to the rich and sorted ones.

  7. As is usually the case, there are structural and human elements to the troubles of TPM. The structural problem arises out of the Westminster system which separates representatives from their constituency by the use of uniform, arbitrary and non-organic constituencies (the Maori seats), fixed terms of office and the secret ballot. If the traditional principles of rangatiratanga applied we would have none of that and therefore none of the problems that Westminster creates, and so the full restoration of rangatiratanga should be at the top of our agenda.
    In the meantime, all we can hope for is that those who choose to work within the colonialist system are able to bring with them the values of rangatiratanga as far as that may be possible. That means respecting the mana motuhake of other members and their supporters. In that respect a distance between the factions of TPM may be no bad thing, just as keeping a distance between TPM and Labour would be no bad thing.
    Winston Peters understands what most other minor party leaders have failed to understand, which is that making an alliance, tacit or otherwise, with a major party before the election is equivalent to political self-emasculation. We can take that a step further and ask the question: “Who benefits from the existence of pre-formed political parties in the Westminster model? Is it the ordinary voter, or the party hierarchies and the elites who those hierarchies serve?”.
    In the original and only genuine democracies pre-formed political parties were rightly regarded as unnecessary and malign as they would have been under traditional rangatiratanga. So the breakdown of TPM Maori should not be seen as a bad thing.
    Those who are most upset about the overstated “collapse” of TPM are those who want a united TPM to serve their own political purposes either by helping to return a Labour Party led left coalition into government or by single-handedly redeeming the nation from its colonialist past and present. The first objective is manipulative and politically exploitative of Maori while the second is unrealistic.
    All that the elements of TPM actually need to do over the coming months is to show mutual respect while representing the interests of their own supporters/constituents as authentically as may be possible under the Westminster system.

    1. “manipulative and politically exploitative of Maori” understates the perfidious nature of Labour Party policy towards TPM. Labour wants TPM to be united, but only so long as TPM policies are in harmony with Labour’s, and acceptable to the more racist section of Labour’s electoral support. Failing that, it rejoices in any signs of division within TPM and seeks to exploit those divisions to its own political advantage.
      So Labour, like National, wants to see TPM either defeated or corrupted. The last thing it wants is for TPM to become a unified and authentic voice for te ao Maori.
      Unfortunately that is the way that colonialist politics works. The players in this strange game take pleasure from evidence of disunity among their supposed friends as much as among their declared foes. In a more principled system of governance, i.e. rangatiratanga, kotahitanga would be genuinely valued without respect to ideological, personal or familial differences.

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