Similar Posts

Join the Discussion

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

18 Comments

  1. Not instead of. In addition to. The chump-change income taxes grow as does the capital wealth which is largely untaxed, as well as trust income which is counted fictionally as if it is a separate individual. The wealth gap is thus hidden in part by the vagaries of the taxation structure. Sorry, Andrew, you are still wrong. Actually more wrong.

  2. We need some assurances of Quilty control. That if Winston says one thing and does something else after an election that there’s a mechanism in place that will give him the chop but also that pre election promises no matter what the hurdle can be over come.

  3. Andrew, because the proportion of income tax paid by the top percentile is rising we can deduce one of two things. Either the top income earners are getting richer or the rest are getting poorer. Or both. No other explanation lends itself.

    The cosmetic changes to taxation are expunged and much more beside by the runaway house prices, while the cosmetic changes you mention are easily avoided and have had absolutely no impact on proportional income which have largely benefited from the share and real estate prices which may or may not prove to be bubbles.

    Your rhetorical proposition at the end of your contribution is not on the table and is therefore barely worth referencing, but it has been well established that a less unequal society is a happier society – even for the rich.

  4. Easy to parrot, Gosman, hard to prove. Unexplained statistics are easily manipulated to justify just about anything. But what can be asserted is that if your income remains the same, but rents go up, you will be just as surely sleeping in a car whatever is happening elsewhere in society.

  5. that’s funny Gosman USA people rated income inequality as there main issues your flat issue is way out of kilter just like our govt

  6. “when it comes to the superannuation debate, we can sensibly argue that Labour’s previous advocacy for raising the retirement age placed it somewhat to the right of National’s (and New Zealand First’s) insistence upon maintaining it at 65.”

    I struggle to see how this is a left/right issue, any more than something like drug law reform is a left/ right issue. There are a number of sensible arguments for raising the retirement age. People are living longer. Many are fit and healthy enough at 65 to continue working full time, and would prefer to, and arguably don’t need income support from the government until later in life.

    Whether it kicks in at 60, 65, or 70, superannuation is a UBI for older people only. A left wing answer to this would be to bring in a UBI for everyone. Campaigning on keeping super at 65 (why not back to 60?) is not a “left” policy in any meaningful sense of the word, it’s just a way of handing out free beer to voters close to retirement at the public expense, for the benefit of NZ First’s share of the vote.

    1. Easy to be provocative when all your comments are single line remarks that carry neither justifications nor explanations.

  7. It doesn’t feel that way.

    Maybe not ‘spiralling’; more like spilt milk on a tilted playing field? (To use that good ol’ management speak beloved of the comfortably conformist.)

    Too much over-promise and under-deliver by the ‘Great and Good’ for certain sure, though.

  8. Nick is wrong,

    And Gosman is just being gosman as always!!! off its head.

    We are “living beyond our means” now!!

    The fiat system cannot survive on as negative interest policy nor can capitalism as it is based on someone else pays and is disadvantaged so I back you entirely CASTRO and leave the other Right wing zealots on the end of the plate.

    Fiat Money -Toilet Paper Money

    http://dailyreckoning.com/fiat-currency/

    The history of fiat money, to put it kindly, has been one of failure. In fact, EVERY fiat currency since the Romans first began the practice in the first century has ended in devaluation and eventual collapse, of not only the currency, but of the economy that housed the fiat currency as well.

  9. You raise an interesting point Castro.
    Certainly economic nationalism is more a Left position, wanting the best possible outcome for poorer people; but it depends how much of the picture you are looking at.

    Small businesses in the States may support Trump with his brand of economic Nationalism in the hope that if they stop buying from abroad the jobs will come back home. This would, perhaps be true if you could actually make that happen. The problem is – and we know this all too well in New Zealand – if we did the same thing they are imagining, we would be bankrupt in a couple of months because we are way closer to the reality that we trade – and by that I mean with the outside world – or die.

    The argument from Globalists is not “hey let’s do this trade thing, stuff poor people and laugh all the way to the bank”. In fact, if they think about poor people at all, they are imagining that globalisation and trade liberalisation should help poor people. Why? Because it increases the volume of actual trade and therefore grows the pie.

    You can certainly see that the middle class in China has grown directly as a result of globalisation, so there is a little truth in the idea.

    The problem is that the further down the food chain you go, the less advantage is obtained until at some level the whole thing is a complete disaster with stagnant or disappearing wages as more and more of the profits created by the forced move to greater efficiency that globalisation causes, is naturally concentrated more and more in the hands of the most successful traders and those best placed to take advantage of a growing pot of money: investors who already have money to use, professionals in short demand, owners and executives of successful, probably larger businesses etc.

    None of this denies, though, that globalisation does increase actual trade flows. The trick is to find a way of sharing the advantage more equitably rather than simply slaughtering the golden goose. (And eating it today then fasting tomorrow). To say nothing, of course of tghe environmental consequences of an obsessive pursuit of greater trade volume.

    It is a problem, though possibly not insoluble. It would be less of a problem if the largest, wealthiest economies could see enough of the picture to see the link between trade and national (potential) wealth, poverty and the environment. If only they could see what we can all see here in New Zealand….oh, no sorry…if it isn’t even obvious to us here, as it clearly isn’t, what hope of avoiding the spirit of Brexit spreading on and on until the anti-trade damage reaches New Zealand. Then we’ll maybe see what real poverty looks like.

    My point, I guess, is just that if things were as simple as some here would claim, there would be a blueprint for paradise on Earth already.
    The challenges are genuinely demanding. To deny that is to pursue a fantasy.

  10. So true Curwen. Economic inequality has always been the plan from day one. But these guys forget the further it goes. The more dangerous things get for the elite.

    As Robert Reich has said inequality can only go so far before one of two things. One society crashes together ie basically war. Or two they splot apart and live in two different worlds with ghettos created. This is where we are going at the moment. I think these guys need to look more carefully at what they are creating…