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  1. I’d add a couple of things.

    One: All the house that are being taken up by business, whilst office space stands vacant – gives me the shit’s. It would free up a lot of stock if these properties were reverted back to homes for people.

    Two: Disabled peoples homes are desperately needed, and as always seem to fall off peoples radar. They come with another set of needs and requirements. The state has a role here, because as you so rightly say the private business model is an abject failure.

  2. yawn, this approach and lack of interest in what has driven demand is why the left is losing credibility because nobody expects the woke to be collaborating in the right wing insatiable demand for cheap labour, free money from overseas and the short term injection of cash from rich individuals coming to NZ in the form of super rich, foreign students and individuals.

    Remember the left were championing Kiwibuild, (maybe because it has the word ‘kiwi’ in front of it) even though it was continuing John Key’s legacy of privatising and demolishing state housing and privatising state house land. Now at inflated prices they are apparently trying to buy some of it back.

    The left seldom worry about low wages and poor conditions in NZ, that mean many more fall into the category of poor. Wages and conditions are far below Australia.

    The left are also championing getting rid of the rights of individuals to have their say and be listened to and not ignored in local zoning, authority and RMA consents.

    The left are championing more foreign nationals being able to buy their way into NZ with a student visa or buying a business here, being a lowered wage worker, or illegal cash worker, or visitor to NZ who never leaves.

    The left are ok with people in OZ and Singapore and most people on temporary permits being able to buy a house in NZ and many new builds can have 60% of apartments sold to any foreign national.

    The left are ok with people speculating off new builds, that may never be built or are very expensive and driving up the prices of new housing while not meeting the needs and incomes of families who actually live and work in NZ.

    The growing ‘team of 5 million’ need a lot of housing, but the rapid growth of that beyond any projections for health care and infrastructure and schooling, water, pollution, transport, as well as housing, is a big part of the problem.

    The left is doing it’s best to get rid of mum and dad property investors, and now the people in rentals are in living in one room hotels at double the rents that the taxpayers pay for often owed by corporations or new residents into NZ.

    The sold rentals become the new abodes of the cheaper workers and temporary families in NZ.

    The family homes are demolished for bigger McMansions and apartments owned by corporations and individuals from around the world.

    1. “mum and dad property investors”
      There’s the jargon right there and it’s deeply offensive. In NZ people have always aspired to own their own home for security in their old age. not because of “investment”.
      Property investment with no CGT has destroyed this basic principle. The sooner multiple property investment, leaving houses empty just for the capital gain, overseas investors doing the same, is brought to a sudden and punitive halt the better.
      This government wimped out of a CGT, has totally failed to get a meaningful state house building programme going and thinks it’s ok to build houses for first home buyers. And has allowed the rental market to totally destroy people’s lives.
      but it’s ok to spend billions on motels to house the homeless. Incompetent says it all.

      1. My context of mum and dad property investors comments is one of sympathy and understanding, where else can they go. It is the drift to big business renting I primarily speak to. CGT by itself will not fix the problems but it would be helpful. I think the govt has taken many more steps than the previous Key Govt did.

  3. Precisely @ Stephen !!!!.
    Unfortunately while the current neo-liberal cult exists, not much will change. Hopefully at then next local body and central govt elections voters will deliver the shock that’s needed.
    WCC now has a second generation of The Order of the Rabbit ( https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/64535981/was-secret-rabbit-group-sinister—or-just-a-joke ) that does nothing about ensuring slum landlords are held to account – and in fact encourages them. Perfectly serviceable and repairable heritage housing left to rack and ruin by owners that are merely in it for capital gain, and which could house people without their having to cope with black mould and dampness.

    Those that do manage to buy in one of the areas you are familiar with, or who have been long-term residents seem to have well-insulated serviceable houses. In my case, this house has been restored over 30 plus years and has now housed 4 generations – one generation passing on to the next.

    And as you suggest, there are places where apartments could be provided above businesses – even above Toyota Kent Tce. for example, or along Adelaide Road on transport routes. If only there was the mechanism in place to force it, and members of The Order of the Rabbit hadn’t had imagination bypasses.

  4. One minute you’re saying there’s a housing bubble and the next you’re saying that high prices are here to stay. Pick one.

    The fact is NZ is one of the least densely populated countries in the OECD – we have ample land to build on. So we should. But we can’t because of zoning restrictions. The effect of zoning restrictions is plain to see when we examine the Christchurch Earthquake response: Central government overruled Environmental Canterbury and released 20 years worth of land for development. Despite losing about a third of the housing stock, there was no corresponding house price inflation.

    As for densification, sure we could do that. There is lots of low value property around Kingsland we could make high rise tomorrow IF :
    We had the infrastructure to support it. But we don’t because until the Central Interceptor project is complete we cannot support the additional sewage load.

    There is no real shortage of materials or labour because we can mass manufacture prefab housing if it comes to that or just import complete houses, for which there are many options.

    1. Both statements are true. There is a bubble and high prices are here to stay because the bubble can’t deflate on our current tax and economic regime, as there is nowhere else for investors to go. Deflation is normally associated with crashes. We can’t predict a crash. There has been huge building in Auckland and we still have unaffordable housing crisis. It is not as simple as zoning restrictions.

  5. One minute you’re saying there’s a housing bubble and the next you’re saying that high prices are here to stay. Pick one.

    The fact is NZ is one of the least densely populated countries in the OECD – we have ample land to build on. So we should. But we can’t because of zoning restrictions. The effect of zoning restrictions is plain to see when we examine the Christchurch Earthquake response: Central government overruled Environmental Canterbury and released 20 years worth of land for development. Despite losing about a third of the housing stock, there was no corresponding house price inflation.

    As for densification, sure we could do that. There is lots of low value property around Kingsland we could make high rise tomorrow IF :
    We had the infrastructure to support it. But we don’t because until the Central Interceptor project is complete we cannot support the additional sewage load. Thanks to foot dragging by both supercity mayors this project is running ten years late.
    We had a sensible RMA regime which didn’t prevent high rise being build because someone’s view of Mount Eden is seen as a God given right.

    There is no real shortage of materials or labour because we can mass manufacture prefab housing if it comes to that or just import complete houses, for which there are many options.

    1. Hi Andrew a lot of what you say has some truth but some of those things perhaps don’t mean what you think they do. I support intensification and you seem to (?) but then talk about importing complete houses? What scale is that? (you are too imprecise for me to be sure of what you mean).You lament zoning restrictions which I don’t get. What is the point in building a high rise in the middle of a low level suburb when there is no facilities around it. It is more justifiable if you build beside a railway station, shops nearby, sport facilities. So a city is built along a series of transport infrastructure hubs. But you don’t say that. The example you give of Christchurch is not good. They built houses in the middle of nowhere so now they have to build swimming pools, schools, shops for those house in the middle of nowhere. Massive costly roading infrastructure to link widely spread suburbs. Everything is built to drive, not walk – greenhouse gas not considered. They sprawled as low level. Houses in Christchurch still cost a fortune and are not ‘affordable’. Mount Eden is beautiful and it is every Aucklanders god given right to see it. If we don’t have planning rules then ‘You’ might pay for a high price to be in a lovely high rise with a view of Mt Eden and then 5 years later another high rise development blocks that view. There are so many points you raise that are unclear to me exactly where you stand that I can’t answer them all. I hope this helps you understand where I’m coming from.

  6. “Alexander also critiques actions that impact the landlord/investor as being counter productive as any costs placed on them will just be passed on in rents.”

    If, for example, a land tax were to be be introduced, it could be offset by reductions in income tax rates. In that case it would probably not matter much if the tax was passed on in rent. A land tax would be preferable to a capital gains tax since it would impact a landlord’s (or householder’s) outgoings, and would therefor restrict the amount of mortgage he would be willing to take on; and this, of course, would exert downwards pressure on house prices and interest rates. The banking community would not be happy with such a circumstance, as Mr Alexander, as a former bank economist, very well knows.

    A capital gains tax would not affect the banks since it is levied only after a property is sold, and, at that point, the bank concerned no longer has an interest in the property. This of course is probably one of the reasons capital gains taxes don’t seem to have much effect on house prices.

    1. Thank you for your insights. I agree a CGT by itself would not stop the property market. Removing interest deductibility will as the property council have said it will.

      1. Income tax can also be regarded as an expense which pushes up rents, so why not make rental income non taxable; in that case all expenses, not just interest, would be non deductible.

        1. Without tax on housing, investor demand would go through the roof compounding affordability problems. Tax or costs is not the main driver of pricing so removing that expense (tax) would not improve market affordability. The govt will have to provide a huge amount of housing over time, hopefully as a series of hubs along transport routes in a medium or possibly high density model. But in the meantime to deal with the social crisis it needs to maximise use of the existing housing stock. This is a quicker and cheaper option than build.

          1. “Without tax on housing, investor demand would go through the roof compounding affordability problems.”

            Rents would probably fall since landlords would not need to charge so much to obtain the same after tax income. But in any case the non deductibility of outgoings, interest in particular since interest would increase with any increase in the price of houses, would limit any increase in profitability

          2. Owners of family homes don’t pay tax on imputed rents, so making rental incomes tax free would bring rental properties into line with those.

          3. I wasn’t going to reply and I suspect you well know the answers but, ‘rents would probably fall’ I think you know people don’t set the amount of rent to charge by some idea of the ‘same after tax income’. They charge to maximise profit. Your suggestion will simply not work to bring affordability.
            Your second point on imputed rents. I don’t respect the logic – A person makes a choice to buy a house and you want to charge them as if they were renting (so there is no advantage in buying. Oh boy). So by comparison if I buy less clothes than another person I should be charged a tax so my discretionary spending so it matches that of others. A certain sort of logic is there but it is not ‘sensible’.

  7. Oh, and btw @ Stephen – that editor’s note:
    “He worked for New Zealand Inland Revenue Department for approximately 33 years and is now enjoying no longer being bound by public service etiquette of being non-political.”

    It’s no doubt a load off your shoulders. A good many, and growing in number in the upper muddle and senior ranks never let that get in their way. Unfortunately a good many Labour Ministers are “comfortable” with it or have malfunctioning bullshit detectors.

  8. Nice to see a new contributor. And yes, housing is not an easy fix after decades of commodification of what should be a basic right and family resource, rather than a market driven cash generator for a minority.

    Might be an idea Stephen to check out your namesake John Minto’s TDB contributions on housing–perhaps you have and found them wanting? Because John Minto is clear that we need a state house mega build.

    I go further and say import flat packs from Europe and Asia now, while intensive training is done, and sites are established from one end of the country to the other. There are several capable modular housing producers in NZ already–but they cannot secure a steady workflow! Include them too.

    Papakainga community housing happens in Tai Tokerau where I live and also tiny houses for homeless and emergency houses need to be established. A mass build over a decade and a CGT and other Govt. tweaks could fix housing–except we have a neo liberal state where accountability is dispersed and the market still rules. It goes back to the 80s and the 1991 budget in particular. So really a major political shift is required to fix housing.

    Direct action is needed to get the attention of the Labour Caucus–occupy appropriate empty residential and commercial properties now!

    1. I have no problem with building. All great ideas you reference. But building alone won’t be enough as the market trends will undermine it. Also we need to get the existing housing stock fully utilised. Flat packs may not cover the intensification needs. We do need to go up in some cities.

      1. Intensification is happening apace in Auckland at least every time I visit.
        There is a culture change needed where housing is seen primarily as accomodation.

        In Whangarei, Maunu suburb where I have lived short term for work reasons (almost out of here and back to Far North), a Kainga Ora development of 37 houses and apartments on an old MoE site, was opposed by 242 to 6 submissions to District Council. But, an independent commissioner ruled that middle class concerns about property values, and prejudice against state tenants did not overule the district plan and greenlit the project.

        300 middle class people attended a meeting with Nat MP Shane Reti to try and stop vulnerable NZers from having somewhere to live! There are 150 rough sleepers in Whangarei already and countless caravan dwellers etc. It was heartening to see the pride on the faces of the Kainga Ora team as the shit flew, that finally they could get back to housing people!

  9. Aaaah,
    Now we have a double dose of Mintos.
    What is this? A take over?
    Welcome Steve.

  10. Good idea. Lets have a mass building project – Bring in containers of prefab timber components and fastenings and workers from those countries taking our logs. Start using papakainga lands and also golf courses, reserves and other surplus crown lands. I understand the Government has been selling off all surplus crown land in last 20 years.

    The problem with unaffordable housing has been the land values not the cost of building a standard house. Land values started increasing about 2010 so that today my 500sq m of land is 80% of the ratable value and the house and other structures only 20%. No wonder Aotearoans (NZers) cant afford to own a farm or a house.

    It also isnt the Mum and Dad investors that are the problem its the property speculators – the commentators don’t mention them.

    1. Thank you for your comments. I agree Mum and Dad investors aren’t the main problem. But some of them, certainly not all, are property speculators. But the market is shifting away from them and into big business.

  11. The National Party’s sale of state housing and the market rents policy has meant when renters come to negotiate with private landlords they have no Best Alternative To A Negotiated Agreement to back up their position. Landlords can therefore extract almost all of a wage after food petrol and utilities have been paid. It is the option of living in a state house that helps determine affordable private rents. Why Labour has not planned and implemented David Shearer’s promise to build 100,000 state houses in 10 years is beyond comprehension. They have been in power 5 years, 50,000 should have already been built.

    Ghost houses. Stephen suggests a Vancouver style empty house tax which would be fairly easy to implement. A step further, if an owner sits on a property and fails to rent it or resell it (to an unrelated party) within say a year then it should be available for compulsory acquisition as a State House. The payment term would be 25 years. An owner who failed to rent or dispose of an empty $1million house would receive $40,000 per year for 25 years. This incentive would put ghost houses back in the rental pool or back on the homes market or into the State House pool.

    1. It certainly isn’t just National’s fault, Labour are selling them right now.

      1124 State houses were sold by National in bulk in Tauranga (they failed to sell them in 3 other places) but they were sold to a ‘housing provider’. Of course they shouldn’t have sold any at all.

      And absolutely what has stopped them going with David Shearer’s plan. Gutlessness frankly. And they won’t borrow the money for State Housing cause it would then be on the books as debt, although they can borrow it cheaper than anyone else, so they make Kaianga Ora borrow it directly at of course a higher rate.

      In the end they are only looking at the next election and trying to ensure they don’t do anything dynamic or brave or anything else.

      The millionaire Gareth Morgan has 8 empty rentals in Wellington, he has been very public about this , he doesn’t rent them because they would dirty the carpets. This is totally immoral and I know that he thinks we should have capital gains tax.

      Yes I am all in favour of a Vancouver style empty house tax.

    2. Thank you for you comments. As it is a crisis your ideas are not unreasonable. I personally wouldn’t want to be too harsh as there may be things that prevent a person doing up a house.

  12. Until the underlying principles introduced in the 80’s and 90’s are changed none of this will happen. Many solutions are simply convoluted strategies to get around the problems caused by the neo liberal framework. The idea that an SOE should have a social goal rather than a profit oriented one is never considered. There may be a sudden realisation before the next election, but by then it may be too late and Jacinda may experience her red wall moment.

    1. Exactly, system is broken. For example the fake capital charges of 5% on DHBs.

      To stop overspending on capital you should have good advice and management, but in NZ the Rogernom’s put a fake ‘tax’ on it, eg instead of building a new operating theatre which incurs capital charge the dim wit neoliberals accountants then outsource theatre services and do PPP’s so that it costs considerately more but is on a different set of accounts aka Opex not Capex.

      DHB’s are then spending a fortune that you don’t need to! aka if you bother to measure the overall costs of PPP’s or variations of that name PFI, then it is significantly more and there is less accountability and control and poorer outcomes.

      “UK PFI debt now stands at over £300bn for projects with an original capital cost of £55bn”
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/30/pfi-britain-hospital-trust-debt-burden-tax

      “Conservatively estimated, the trusts appear to be paying a risk premium of about 30% of the total construction costs, just to get the hospitals built on time and to budget, a sum that considerably exceeds the evidence about past cost overruns.”

      The same problem with roads, (transmission Gully).
      For roads:

      This report: https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-files/Society/documents/2004/11/24/PFI.pdf

      found that PPP “contracts are considerably more expensive than the cost of conventional procurement”, resulting in higher returns for the companies running the PPP’s compared to their industry peers.

      While hard to compare because of the opaque nature of many contracts and large amounts of subcontracting out, it looked like the actual cost of capital of the PPP’s was 11% compared to Treasure borrowing of 4.5% i.e. 6.5% higher. This is supposed to represent the cost of risk transfer but in practice there was no risk transfer so it’s money for nothing.

      “In conclusion, the road projects appear to be costing more than expected as reflected in net present costs that are higher than those identified by the Highways Agency (Haynes and Roden 1999), owing to rising traffic and contract changes. It is, however, impossible to know at this point whether or not VFM (value for money) has been or is indeed likely to be achieved because the expensive element of the service contract relates to maintenance that generally will not be required for many years.”

      Overall, for both roads and hospitals they concluded there was no risk transfer and no value for money.

      “The net result of all this is that while risk transfer is the central element in justifying VFM and thus PFI, our analysis shows that risk does not appear to have been transferred to the party best able to manage it. Indeed, rather than transferring risk to the private sector, in the case of roads DBFO has created additional costs and risks to the public agency, and to the public sector as a whole, through tax concessions that must increase costs to the taxpayer and/or reduce service provision. In the case of hospitals, PFI has generated extra costs to hospital users, both staff and patients, and to the Treasury through the leakage of the capital charge element in the NHS budget. In both roads and hospitals these costs and risks are neither transparent nor quantifiable. This means that it is impossible to demonstrate whether or not VFM has been, or indeed can be, achieved in these or any other projects.

      While the Government’s case rests upon value for money, including the cost of transferring risk, our research suggests that PFI may lead to a loss of benefits in kind and a redistribution of income, from the public to the corporate sector. It has boosted the construction industry, many of whose PFI subsidiaries are now the most profitable parts of their enterprises, and led to a significant expansion of the facilities management sector. But the main beneficiaries are likely to be the financial institutions whose loans are effectively underwritten by the taxpayers, as evidenced by the renegotiation of the Royal Armouries PFI (NAO 2001a).”

      Instead of the government and woke thinking up more taxes, they would be better to work on getting taxes people are evading, much larges fines for people and businesses for bad behaviour (OIO, polluters, fraud) and making sure that people in NZ are currently paying taxes they are supposed to, because it seems for many in modern individualist NZ, tax is optional.

    2. Thank you for your comment. The tax system has been a problem before the 1980 reforms. More recently ‘the normal principles of taxation’ helped start the growth of tax havens back in the 60’s. It is now an economic epidemic that makes covid look like child’s play.

  13. What are IRD doing about all the missing taxes from all the scams and illegal workers…. cos seems like nothing but protection for some people…. More people taking up NZ houses, getting untaxed cash to buy NZ assets, not to mention, the products of their activity are also harmful, flawed (construction) and victimising others.

    Like the relationship between wages and poverty, there is a relationship between housing, money laundering, untaxed cash flooding NZ, illegal workers, making things even worse.

    Instead of adding taxes, it might be fairer to start taxing people who are getting rich off untaxed activity in goods, services and labour. At the moment waiting decades before a slap on the wrist, is not much incentive to stop widespread, cash activity and evasion or deliberate non-payment of taxes.

    Cigarette smuggling case: Defendants keep names secret to protect children, employees
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115014183/cigarette-smuggling-case-defendants-keep-names-secret-to-protect-children-employees

    Auckland building boss charged with fraud after investigation into illegal labour
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12005146

    Lawyers’ fees restrained by police after Auckland drug bust
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11842563

    The businessman and the stolen honey: Sheng Sun sentenced over 480kg mānuka heist
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12077932

    William Yan AKA Bill Liu to keep NZ citizenship despite money laundering conviction
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11905478

    Mother and son arrested for smuggling tobacco into NZ
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117400678/mother-and-son-arrested-for-smuggling-tobacco-into-nz

    Exclusive: Filipino shipping agent escaped jail time after 225k un-taxed cigarettes found in container she arranged
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2019/03/07/hold-filipino-shipping-agent-escapes-jail-time-after-225k-un-tax.html

  14. Stephen, thanks for a very insightful review. A huge amount of information to get my head around! You obviously have studied this problem in depth and have understanding based on knowledge not available to most of us; your Solution ideas are all well worth of persual – and I agree building alone will not fix the problem; the real problem is an economy that unduly encourages investment in housing.

  15. I agree with many of your points. You’re just missing the puzzle piece of immigration fueled rapid population growth. Aotearoa has had one of the highest levels of population growth in developer world in recent years – and much higher than many developing countries too. We have to have much lower levels of immigration in future if we are going to get on top of housing crisis – not to mention honouring te tiriti!

    1. I agree that immigration needs to match an uplift in investment in schools, housing, health infrastructure. I agree honouring te tiriti would involve partnership in decision making over immigration.

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