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  1. Oh dear, Greater Auckland will burn you at the stake for such blasphemy.

    If we all just ride bikes and catch buses, but most importantly, ride bikes, the promised land is ours. Hallelujah!

    Cos the last thing we want to do is think too hard about it!

  2. This reads like you have been testing some of the better meth the 501’s are importing? By stringing a few irrational arguments together you make it appear that nothing should change however you neglect to mention the amount of energy the big ball in the sky sends our way each day along with the ever-increasing ability to transform it to something we can use. Change is not going to be rapid or easy in all things but just as horse power & steam power have been bypassed (mostly) fossil fuels will have less of a role as time unfolds.

    1. Ah-ha, Bonnie, the “technological fix”! Well, in matters of faith I, like Queen Elizabeth I, forebear from making a window into men’s (or women’s) souls.

      It does strike me, however, that putting your faith in divine intervention might offer better prospects of success than pinning all your hopes on yet more man-made machines. After all, it was the “technological fix” – steam engines, the ICE, AC electricity, nuclear energy – that got us into this mess.

      What you can bet the farm on, Bonnie, is that human-beings will go on doing what they have always done, until they can’t do it anymore, and then they will do something else.

      Sad, I know, but true.

      1. I feel privileged to get a response from you. Anyone familiar with my comment history will know that I believe divine intervention will be the ultimate solution to the world’s problems so your tongue in cheek response is interesting.
        I also base my belief in the reduction in fossil fuel use on the financial prospects as well, many big companies are transitioning away from fossil fuel so I guess time will tell if the divine intervention or clean energy arrives first.

  3. Murray is correct.

    Once the Europeans are squeezed by their EU masters into energy poverty, there will be an ugly overturning of the old order.

    Ditto the USA, only with assault rifles.

  4. Xmas lunches can be battlegrounds alright. We all have the choice whether to ignore the bores or deflect to other topics and guests, or engage with them. If I, very rarely, decide to engage I take no prisoners if some bumpkin fancies their chances. One of my extended group runs a rural “Fert” spreading business with a small fleet of 5 trucks merrily scattering who knows how much nitrogen into the countryside and ultimately waterways of Northland.

    We have a few shared interests and get on well enough, but if talk turns to Nashnull or how bright farmers halos are–I make sure to be prepared with some facts and latest arguments on where agriculture is heading. Reckons can be knocked down some times.

    The Murrays are often alpha males who cannot countenance the to and fro of genuine debate–“my way or the highway” types. Chris scenario really is just an extended version of “Greenies should swim to international meetings not fly”. Looking for minuscule contradictions while the planet burns and action is urgently needed.

    1. Tiger Mountain: “Xmas lunches can be battlegrounds alright.”

      I grew up in a very large, Irish Catholic family: my late father was the youngest of 14. And, of course, politics was the heart and soul of that family: they all had opinions.

      My late mother told me that my grandmother liked nothing better than to have them around the dinner table, all shouting at each other. She would preside over dinner (or lunch),sitting at the head of the table and smiling beatifically as they argued, nobody listening to anybody else. Heh! I often wish that I’d been born earlier, and that I could have witnessed it.

      No talk of climate change in those days, but if it had been a topic for debate back then, they’d have had varying opinions on it, to be sure.

  5. Hard to know who’s side comrade Trotter is on sometimes.
    I always agree with you TM re the old guard protecting their looting and polluting, not wanting to change and the younger generations don’t matter, their continued wealth is the master of them.
    Climate change will not be addressed until this huge voting block diminishes with time. Time that the planet can ill afford, but hey, let’s just make some more money!

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