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    1. Approaching?

      Its here. Read above.

      Palestine and its people are a victim of organised fascism supported by a tribal elite with wealth beyond comprehension.
      But its not just Palestine.

      Look who is involved with the atrocities in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Egypt and most places in the middle East for nearby.

      The plan often quoted is reputedly control of oil and resources much wider than just the middle East.

      That seems hard to refute when you look at what is happening.

  1. I have an alternative proposal for NZ regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Take no sides at all. We should be Switzerland on this issue, because the reality is that it has nothing to do with us, and for that matter it has nothing to do with anyone else who does not have skin in the game, in other words anyone who is either a Palestinian or Israeli, or at least Arab or Jew.

    There are dozens of ethnic/religious conflicts in the world. There are dozens upon dozens of issues regarding breaches international law and persecution of minorities. Yet for some reason this one issue consumes a vast amount of time and energy from activists, most of whom have no skin in the game at all, and often while many other worthy issues get little more than lip service, if they get any attention at all. That makes me suspicious. Take the Gaza flotilla for example. I have yet to see any similar actions by activists in support of the Kurds in Turkey, or the Uighurs in China, or the Tibetan people (remember them?), or the Rohingya, and they are just four of many possible examples.

    Why? Because being anti-Israel is a required fashion accessory for the activist Left, mush as being pro-Israel is a required fashion accessory for the US Christian Right. And a fashion accessory is all it is. If it was really about justice, we would see activists spending equal if not more time on the many, many other issues of ethnic conflict around the world, and taking similar “brave” actions like the Gaza flotilla in support of the Rohingya or Uighurs.

    The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is simply not relevant to NZ or most New Zealanders. Most Kiwi’s have no skin in the game. There is no reason for us to spend any more energy on it than on any other issue.

    1. So SHAWN are you saying we ignore the many UN ruling on the illegal Israeli stealing of land and genocide.

      Its not a religious issue at all. That is a smoke screen.

      1. John, the UN rulings are a good example of my point. They are not wrong in and of themselves, but the sheer number of rulings about Israel, compared to say rulings about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Cuba, China, and many other countries with appalling human rights records, is telling. Moreover, some of the countries backing these rulings have as bad if not worse human rights records themselves, and some of the countries leading UN human rights bodies that make these rulings are themselves shocking human rights abusers.

        I’m not pro-Israel (or anti-Zionist for that matter), and I find the Netanyahu government appalling. But the issue of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is just one issue among many, yet it receives a vast amount of attention by the UN and by activists, to the detriment of many other worthy causes and issues.

        As far as the NZ government goes, there is no logical reason why we should give that one issue anymore attention than any other human rights issue.

        1. So you do think the UN rulings should be ignored. If that is the case then what do you see as a solution to the genocide.

          Human rights records – 1.4 million slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan all on the pretext of another flagrant lie.

          And we helped.

    2. Zionists desperately seek to draw attention away from their crimes against humanity, which include the longest foreign military Occupation in modern history and confinement of nearly two million people in the largest ghetto ever created. Zionist ‘Hasbara’ is clinging to the argument that Israel is being ‘singled out’. Tough, the world isn’t buying this, observing that it is Israel’s unconscionable behaviour that singles it out.
      Shawn claims that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “not relevant to NZ or most New Zealanders.” Interestingly, we note that Zionists didn’t complain when New Zealand failed to mind its own business and voted for the Partition of Palestine at the UN.
      If he had bothered to read the article he comments upon, Shawn would have read of Israel’s acts of contempt against other nations, including New Zealand. Israel’s gross violations of human rights and the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention are very much relevant to New Zealanders. Believe it or not, international law is, just that – international.
      Shawn sees this as a game. It may be “game” for Zionists but their lobbying interference in the domestic political affairs of other nations is venomous and damaging in the extreme. Having achieved their way, they now demand special exemption for Israel from duty to respect international human rights law. We shall resist.

      1. “which include the longest foreign military Occupation in modern history”

        Longer than China’s occupation of Tibet?

        “is clinging to the argument that Israel is being ‘singled out’”

        It clearly is. Human rights abuses in places like Saudi Arabia and similar countries, especially with regards to women and homosexuals, are vastly worse than Israel’s record. Yet by comparison to Israel, very little attention is focused there. I see no activists travelling to Saudi Arabia to protest it’s appalling treatment of women and homosexuals. I see no activists travelling to China to protest it’s appalling treatment of the Uighurs or the Tibetans.

        I have seen no marches down Queen street since Brunei decided to implement the death penalty for homosexuals.

        I have seen no marches down Queen street protesting China’s human rights record or it’s ongoing interference in NZ’s domestic politics, which are far more intense and extensive than Israel’s.

        Why is that?

        And why is it that activists on the far left are so concerned with Israel, yet defend this country:

        https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/venezuela

        “Shawn sees this as a game.”

        No I see it as a fashion accessory for fashionable activists whose concern for human rights and international law is very selective.

        1. Unable to deny Israel’s racist war crimes and faced with the mounting disgust of a growing majority of humanity across the world, Zionism’s attempts to divert attention become ever more vociferous. Begging the world to look the other way is an admission of guilt. Racism is a growing threat to the global community and Zionism is at its core.

          In the US, the white supremacist Richard Spencer [https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180727-the-unholy-alliance-between-israel-and-alt-right-ideologues/] has welcomed Israel’s recent Nation State Law, saying: “I have great admiration for Israel’s nation-state law” and tweeting “Jews are, once again, at the vanguard, rethinking politics and sovereignty for the future, showing a path forward for Europeans.”

          Steve Bannon [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon], who served for seven months as a White House Chief Strategist for Donald Trump, was also former Executive Chairman of Breitbart News. In a Haaretz newspaper interview, Bannon proudly stated that Breitbart News had “consistently” supported the state of Israel. He also co-founded the data-analytics firm behind the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal].

          Former Jerusalem Post Editor-in-Chief, Bret Stephens, dedicated a column [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opinion/steve-bannon-israel-anti-semitism.html] in the New York Times on the issue, commenting that: “Just as there are anti-Zionist Jews, there are also anti-Semitic Zionists”.

          For Zionism, its obsession with ethnicity transcends everything else, which is why it embraces even anti-Jewish figures, such as Bannon and Spencer. Israel also has the support of far-right groups in Europe, from Italy to the Ukraine. The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, has published a protest [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727] over Israel’s arming of the neo-Nazi paramilitary Azov Battalion in the Ukraine. Zionism and its allies are uniting in their opposition to human rights, Islam and a United Nations that looks to replacing assertive nationalism with a more humanistic, global rule of law, based on justice and human rights.

          Resisting Zionism is essential in combatting those who would condemn humanity to global civil war. Bannon told Haaretz [https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-steve-bannon-tells-haaretz-why-he-can-t-be-anti-semitic-1.6316437]: “We in our time are heirs to the same challenge Charles Martel faced when he blocked the Muslims from conquering Europe in the year 732 at the Battle of Tours. The challenge has since changed form, and may now appear in the guise of mass immigration, but the essential conflict has not disappeared, and we cannot afford to let our guard down.”

          We certainly must be on our guard – but against the true danger. Racism is on the rise and the hard-won provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention are at extreme risk. Resist the Crusaders before they come for us!

  2. In 2005 this American writer in Jerusalem met Vanunu who told me “Israel is only a democracy it you are a Jew.”

    Vanunu also told me that JFK tried to get Israel to open the Dimona to inspections, LBJ sent two senators annually to ‘inspect’ but Israel boarded up the stairwells and elevators so the senators never knew what was going on six floors underground. Nixon stopped the inspections and ever president since has ignored Israel’s nuclear deceptions.

    Read more: https://www.amazon.com/Eileen-Fleming/e/B00IZA7460/ref=dp_byline_cont_ebooks_1

    View UNCENSORED “30 minutes with Vanunu”:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwdz6dLbfok&t=12s

    1. Many thanks, Eileen, for these informative links.

      We must admire Mordechai Vanunu. His steadfast courage, and concern for humanity, in refusing to cave in to callous and brutal treatment is an example to us all. The Israeli state tried to break his spirit – and failed. He deserves our enduring support.

  3. Unfortunately NZ is a vassal of the U.S. Empire, so we support all of the vile war crimes that the Nazi Zionist State of Israel gets up to. We support the Apartheid that is worse than that visited on the black South Africans. We support by inaction the theft of Palestinian land and colonization.We support the racist composition of the Israeli state. We support the race ideology that is identical to the Master race theories of Adolf Hitler.We support the disproportionate response of the Nazi Zionists whereby they kill four hundred Palestinians for every dead Zionist. Even the German Nazis did not exceed that!We show by our inaction that we support Nazi Zionist Israel over the Palestinian people.History will show that NZ abjectly and gutlessly failed to follow a moral compass !!!

    1. Your list is very incomplete and this forum is too small to cover the damage done to the world by Zionism and like tribal dogma.

      Having a effective moral compass would be one that guides you no matter what race ofrposition you are in as you seek justice and peace with wider communities.

      Zionism has no universal morality nor do its supporter appear to understand that concept.

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