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  1. Yes Chris, the totalitarian instincts are strong within the labour caucus. Democracy, the voice and will of the people an inconvenience, to be tolerated when it suits, dispensed with when it doesn’t. Leave Decisions on Local body democracy, He Puapua, Three Waters, gender self identification and anti speech laws up to the people, the plebs, the deplorables? Oh no can’t have that, what do they know?

  2. Except the worst thing about the party rank and file electing a leader is they appointed unlikeable duds, who’s appeal to voters was nil. And by doing so compounded their problems. They were Nationals best allies.

    If you recall, Andrew Little was the party’s best pick. I went to a speech he did, the man was uninspiring to say the least and quite forgettable. Had he remained Labour would have lost the 2017 election and even more MP’s and I would argue, it’s very existence.

    Labour’s caucus is quite talentless nowadays owing to its shrinking vote in those 9 years in opposition. And thanks in no small part to its leaders. That process also saw capable talent leave parliament. It badly needed to attract capable people who saw a positive future in a government but meanwhile the party lost appeal left right and centre with idiotic gender neutral policies, and every other neutral policy, whilst at the same time being led by characterless drones. And with it, it’s talent pool dried up.

    Forget the party electing a leader. It was a flawed process of colliding vested interests but what they had in common was that none of the election board realised a leader must be an X factor personality to reach voters.

    1. “Labour’s caucus is quite talentless nowadays.” Ditto for National Xray. Our Political landscape is a desert.

  3. How does one pronounce Haworth? Whore-worth, How-worth, Ha-worth? I got stuck at that part

  4. At least the caucus seemed to have achieved their objective without the “dirty tricks” which led to the dropping of Jeremy Corbyn as leader, even if it meant losing a couple of elections in the process.

    1. ….even if it meant losing a couple of elections in the process. A couple of elections so far.

  5. How Nigel Haworth has fallen-he presented as a leftish UK Labour member, supported Miners Strike etc. when he turned up towards the end of the 80s at Auckland University then Labour Studies Dept. He even voiced support for a lengthy car industry strike over the “Nissan Way” and invited some of the workers to visit him and attended some of their final mediation sessions chaired by Prof. Bill Hodge.

    But it seems in retrospect he was soon enough won to “Rogernomics” and later went on to help form the class collaborationist “High Performance Work” Institute with EPMU’s Rex Jones and other employer friendly union officials and academics.

    The Parliamentary wing of NZ Labour has long lorded it over the ordinary party members notwithstanding game efforts to tweak the rules during the brief Cunliffe period. Little’s handing the mantle to Jacinda Ardern was not by chance or altruism, it was perfectly timed according to the rules-which provide for appointment of a new leader, rather than by election, when a General Election is imminent.

    Flogging a dead proverbial comes to mind in respect of ever getting NZ Labour to retire neo liberalism, let alone apologise for the wrecking ball they swung through this country.

    A political realignment is needed in Aotearoa NZ and it’s name is eco socialism.

  6. The fact that both sides of this argument about how Labour leaders are selected are reduced the need for a ‘great leader’ says a lot about the role of parliamentary ‘democracy’.
    Labour’s role since 1916 as been to trap workers in that powerless ‘democracy’.
    A party, Labour in name only, because it always erased ‘labour’ as the creator of labour-value, the source of wealth in the capitalist economy, and reinforced ‘labour’ as merely one of three ‘factors’ of production (land, capital and labour) that competes for a share of that wealth.
    In so doing it masks the reality of the production of value for profit, and limits the distribution of that value to a declining share relative to profit, as the rate of exploitation of labour rises.
    Now that capitalism is dying on its feet, the disruption of the production of value exposes the failure to exploit workers enough to guarantee profits
    Labour’s historic mission to trap workers in parliamentary democracy will come to an end when their lives become threatened by the labour ‘great leader’, however selected, putting profits before people.
    Expect then the breakup of what is now the liberal Labour party, surviving on the vote of the reactionary petty bourgeoisie, and a radical polarisation between a new workers party controlled by the working base, and a fascist party pulling out every stop to destroy the threat of socialist revolution.

  7. The neolibs didn’t have the decency, ethics or intestinal fortitude to set up their own party. Instead they found it easier to hijack one with the promise of various treats and trinkets, and lies and spin that’s now proven to be a failed ideology – somewhat akin to a cult. They’re still hard at it because their lives depend on trying to preserve it all. The mathematics of it all have never really been viable. The natives will eventually get restless and revolt even as the blessed and gorgeous regard them as revolting.
    So……ultimately…..the day they wake up, rather than woke up, and return to policies rather than personalities is the day we’ll all be better off in this space going forward. Meantime we’d be better off tending to our rhubarb crops than indulging them in their antics, even if it’s often quite amusing to watch.

    1. Tend to agree Tim.

      Time for a whole new political paradigm where democracy does work (Elected Managers rather than power aligned parties perhaps?). But you are right, we will have to reach a bona fide revolution to achieve that. Crises only seem to give governments more power so ultimately it has to be People Power that makes the difference and in today’s reality, its going to take a lot of heartache and futility before people will ever stand up collectively again.

  8. It appears that the demographics that Chris and all (us) bloggers represents are the old school who were brought up with and protected by the unions or operated above their station. Aotearoans were in awe of the tories looking for the old soldiers to lead and save us. The common denominator – grumpy, angry old men and ladies who hate Jacinda and ring up talkback, read the Herald and comment in newspapers and blogs. As a consequence Unions/socialism and Tory Conservatism are irrelevant and dying out, The younger people are more interested in gaining employment and/or making money.
    With regards to politicians performing, the Natz have a dithering lot of members who appeal to the old brigade – just watch Parliament. Jacinda and her team and up and comers run rings around the tories.

  9. If it is democracy for a self-selected party of ten thousand to effectively choose the head of government for a nation of five million, then why would it not also be democracy for an elected caucus of 65 to do the same?
    This is a trivial issue which obscures the deep crisis of western “democracies” in which, despite the propaganda, ordinary people do not “have a voice” and do not have the “right to choose their own leaders” and governments are in no meaningful way “accountable to the people”.
    That can and will change through fundamental reform of the political system that will make government “by the people and for the people” a reality, and hence will have revolutionary implications.
    Having said that, Nigel Haworth’s proposal is entirely rational. By this time next year Ardern may be electoral poison, yet the party faithful might still be loyal to her. When personal ambitions coincide with electoral pragmatism, the inner circle of caucus will want to see her gone. That is about as democratic as the colonial regime will ever get.

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