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  1. I agree 100% Chris. Well argued. In fact, this is one of the (many) things that makes the new Star Wars movies so frustrating. The last thing a new Evil Empire would do is use all the symbolism and even the uniforms of the defeated Evil Empire. Instead, like Palpatine in the prequels, it would present itself as the most loyal defenders of the New Republic, perhaps even claiming the mantle of the New Jedi in Luke Skywalker’s absence.

  2. Chris Trotter on the use of the swastika by the Nazis:

    “The equivalent in contemporary New Zealand society would be an ancient Maori symbol. A Kiwi fascist would present this as proof of his movement’s mystical connection with land and people”.

    Chris, I think the equivalent would be a Nisbett cartoon, a NIMBY pitchfork or a mailbox pamphlet delivered by your local Hobson’s Pledge foot soldier.

    1. No, no, Jody! You’ve missed the point of the essay entirely. What I was trying to warn The Daily Blog’s readers about is the danger of the truly effective fascist. The latter will not call himself a fascist; will not look like a refugee from Charlottesville; and will come across as both plausible and inspiring to the ordinary voter. The successful assassin of our liberties is always the one we don’t see coming – until it’s too late.

      1. Would you call Stefan Molyneux and whatshername truly effective, cloaked fascists??

    1. I’ve been among the many well meaning opponents of corporate domination who have quoted this to people over the years. It seemed like an concise description of the results of neoliberal policy. But apparently Mussolini never actually said it, or at least nothing close to it can be found in his surviving writings. Also Mussolini’s idea of merging state and corporate power, as recorded in his writings on fascism, have more to do with control of industry by a socially conservative state, than the control of the state by socially liberal corporations, which is a more apt description of neoliberal capitalism in practice. Which explains the otherwise confusing mashup of anti-corporate and anti-liberal sentiments we see in the new ethno-nationalisms.

  3. John Key embodies everything a perfect modern day New Zealand fascist leader should be

  4. Franco had a pretty good innings mainly, I suppose, because he kept Spain out of WWII. Prospects for fascism in Germany may have been better had Neville Chamberlain not declared war and forced Germany to fight on two fronts. Chamberlain is often thought of as naive on account of his “peace for our times” declaration. But perhaps it was Hitler who was naive.

    1. Ahem, Mikesh, Hitler was not forced to fight on two fronts. Before he invaded Poland, triggering war with the UK and France, Hitler had secured his eastern flank by signing a non-aggression pact with Stalin. It was entirely his choice to launch Operation Barbarossa in June 1941. And although it looks like a dumb move from where we are sitting, the truth is he very nearly pulled it off. Indeed, some still insist that had the Fuhrer allowed his generals to run the invasion of the Soviet Union, it would have fallen and Germany would have won the war. Good thing he didn’t, eh?

      1. I’m no historian, but I suspect that the non-aggression pact was a prophylactic measure in case Britain declared war. I think he relied on his agreement with Chamberlain, and that the invasion of Russia was his ultimate goal.

        Perhaps he thought, after Dunkirk, that Britain was no longer a threat.

      2. Chris Trotter: “….Hitler had secured his eastern flank by signing a non-aggression pact with Stalin. It was entirely his choice to launch Operation Barbarossa in June 1941.”

        Hitler’s one and only interest was attacking the USSR. And, to a lesser extent, France; but inept German diplomacy had created a situation where Britain and France could not avoid declaring war on Germany.

        Not too long ago, I read an analysis of the events leading up to the signing of the non-aggression pact. The USSR saw very clearly the threat of Nazi Germany; it had earlier attempted to enlist Poland as an ally against Germany, but was rebuffed, because Poland was collaborating with Hitler. The pact was justified from the USSR point of view, as it led to the acquisition of territory that would otherwise have been taken over by Germany.

        Poland apparently couldn’t grasp the fact that the accommodation with Germany was strictly temporary, and certain to be disposed of, once German rearmament and territorial expansion in central Europe was complete.

        Eminent Polish historians argue to this day that a full alliance with Nazi Germany was desirable, as though Germany would have had any interest in such a thing; as if Hitler was going to invade the USSR, just to do Poland a favour.

        Note that – in an astonishing piece of historical amnesia – the Polish government has begun to demand war reparations from Germany. The main consequence of the German occupation of Poland was the elimination of Polish Jews, and many Poles didn’t care about that. In fact, many of them were pleased about it: taunted the Jews as the trains carrying them to the death camps passed by. I’m old enough to have heard personal testimony as to this fact, from people who were there at the time. It was also reported on by the contemporary press.

        “Indeed, some still insist that had the Fuhrer allowed his generals to run the invasion of the Soviet Union, it would have fallen and Germany would have won the war.”

        In recent years, WW2 historiography has moved on from uncritical acceptance of the self-congratulatory memoirs of defeated Nazi generals.

        The Nazis were never close to success, and if Hitler had followed the generals’ logistics-blind advice, he would have lost the war harder and sooner. Pity that didn’t happen: many Russian lives – along with those of other countries – would have been saved.

        Mikesh: “Perhaps he thought, after Dunkirk, that Britain was no longer a threat.”

        Hitler had a marked Anglophilic streak, and could never understand why his pathetic adoration wasn’t reciprocated. Had he wished to invade Britain, he’d have done so. And – given Britain’s weakness – his troops would have succeeded. Britain isn’t Russia.

        1. “because Poland was collaborating with Hitler”

          Interesting, that. I read in a history book (“1938” by Giles MacDonogh) that Poland’s government at the time was also right-wing/fascist. Weird, but it appears that one fascist country (Germany) attacked, invaded, and partitioned another right wing country (Poland), and allowed the remaining partitioned zone to be “Sovietised”…

          1. “….it appears that one fascist country (Germany) attacked, invaded, and partitioned another right wing country (Poland)….”

            There’s a deepish history of nationalist and right-wing political thought in Europe – as I discovered when I studied Political Philosophy at uni many years ago. Such views become part of the political culture.

            As far as I can recall, it didn’t drive conflicts, in the sense that countries didn’t go to war to topple fascist/right-wing governments. To be sure, fascists are usually anti-communist (although communism was live politically in Italy after WW2), as was Hitler. And communism was his stalking horse in invading the USSR; but in reality, he was after Russian resources.

            Various commentators point to the rise of nationalism and the right-wing over the past few years. See this for one source, though there are many:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe

            And this (though I don’t usually link to BBC sources):

            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006

            We have family and extended family in central Europe. Right-wing governments notwithstanding, that part of the world is orderly and safe for tourists and visitors such as us. In our experience, crime isn’t much of an issue anywhere there. Unlike other parts of the world; such as the UK. Or NZ, come to that.

            We all need to remember that the countries of Europe have land boundaries: in the past, there was a constant threat of invasion. In central Europe, the citizens of Austria certainly haven’t forgotten the Turkish invasions: there are many reminders throughout the country. There’s the Turk statue – known as the Turk under the roof – on Palais Saurau in Graz. And – also in Graz – the Landzeughaus: the world’s largest historic armoury. Graz was on the front line of Turkish invasions of Europe: the armoury’s purpose was to arm the citizens at short notice. It held enough weapons for 28,000 men.

            Nobody should be surprised at widespread nationalism and wariness about immigration in that part of the world. I’d add that the political arrangements of the countries of Europe are their business: nobody else’s.

  5. Awesome blog proves that we never really grow up in that we all need a boogeyman to keep us in a state of paranoia and fear
    The right ( the white Y front brigade) can beat the left up with socialism/communism and the left ( champagne socialists) can beat the right up with neoliberalism/fascism

  6. Danyl Stripe: “Actually, a tiny fringe of the radical left was violent, for a relatively short period, in response to years of violent repression by the state.”

    Whether the violence was committed by a tiny fringe of the radical left was doubtless of little comfort to those affected by it. The events Hines records started around the time I was born, just after WW2, though of course I was too young to remember the earliest of them. They occurred sporadically until the late 1980s at least. That isn’t an insignificant period of time. Again: the point he’s making is that this stuff – awful as it was – has been largely forgotten. And it’s important not to forget.

    I’m an old lefty. When I was a young adult, it is my view that many of us justified radical left-wing violence because it was, in the eyes of the left, in pursuit of a noble cause, so to speak. From this vantage point in my life, I see it for what it was. Nowadays, I remain shocked that I wasn’t more shocked by it.

    “This has nothing whatsoever to do with antifa militants.”

    I disagree; so, it seems, does Hines. Here’s what he says about it:

    “The hard Left selectively uses violence, normalizes it with weasel words: “Direct action.” “Diversity of tactics.” “Nonviolent property damage.” “Antifa.” If you want to know why Righties will get down with streetfighting, if it comes to that: take a look at Antifa. A good long one.”

    I’d be surprised if in the US, Antifa, in its approach, hadn’t taken at least a glance back to the erstwhile violence of the radical left, and incorporated some of those tactics. That’s certainly what it looks like from here. And – disturbingly – the msm is downplaying Antifa violence; just as it did with regard to radical left-wing violence when I was young.

    “Although I haven’t checked, I’m pretty sure white supremacist terrorists have killed more people in the US in the last 3 years than were killed by leftist militants there from 1960-1990.”

    Regarding the death toll, here’s what Hines observes:

    “Most ’70s bombers had no moral objection to killing people, but they also didn’t go to any great lengths to maximize body count. That’s pretty different from 21st-century mass shooters (who tend suicidal) & jihadists (for whom a high body count is part of the message).”

    So it’s noted; Hines points out that they wanted to get away with their crimes. Suicidal mass murderers and jihadists they weren’t.

    In my view, the take-home message of Hines’ piece is that the left can be – and has been – as violent as the right. Moreover, in the US, the left was a great deal better-organised, with more resources on which to rely. We need to be clear-eyed about this.

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