Q+A Review: Māori Party attempt to look credible
As TDB has been pointing out for sometime, the Māori Party are the queen maker as Labour & Greens continue to sink.
This means scrutiny on their flakiness is a gift to ACT and National as the country gets spooked by co-governance.
MANA pushed for policy that helped everyone, ‘feed the kids’ was all the Kids.
The Māori Party are perceived as ‘feed only the Māori kids’.
The new Māori Party is all about feelings and identity and the constant push to replace actual policy gains like gst off food for identity stunts in Parliament probably alienates more than it attracts.
If the Māori Party are the Queen maker, they need to push for universal policy like GST off food, they need to appeal to the majority they spend the entire interview despising.
They denounce Louisa Wall’s new position to promote equality in the Pacific and both refuse to accept liberal progressive democratic values and demand they hold onto their tribal beliefs instead.
Charming.
On the issue of Queen Maker, they joke about it and they don’t seem to appreciate how that looks.
They won’t side with National and ACT, but it’s not actually clear they would support Labour and Greens either.
The only take away from this interview is that the Māori Party are in it for the Māori Party.
Cyclists and their ever screaming demands for more cycle ways is on.
Matt Lowrie is hopeless as a guest.
The reason for the venom between cyclists and car drivers is pretty simple.
Central Government have had an open door policy for lazy and cheap immigration for decades without building the infrastructure for that mass immigration.
Car drivers are stuck in underfunded infrastructure gridlock while cyclists got nothing from infrastructure in the first place. Attempting to build cyclist infrastructure while drivers are in gridlock causes intense friction and we see that friction all the time as militant cyclists share space with angry drivers.
Matt Lowrie is hopeless as a guest.
Finally get around to Mallard’s appalling trespass against politicians and Winston.
Notice how Mallard wasn’t dragged to the Speaker’s Seat as is tradition? Oh he wanted it.
Trev’s appalling history as Speaker is painted out and everyone is reminded how his latest actions are just so stupid.
There is no threat Trev can’t over react to and his actions in provoking the riot demands he resign now!
Fod God’s sakes Trev!
Can we just have a moment of silence for all those brave Tribal Labour & Greens who rushed to defend Trev’s trespassing & who were engaged on the battlefield of dispute justifying the unjustifiable when Trev just flash fried them all by u-turning his trespass order?
We will remember them.
The latest insane attack on free speech is being highlighted. Shutting down discussions on University are just the so damaging and stupid. People should be allowed to debate ideas on campus and the woke just have to accept that.
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Just watched an interview by Professor Kendall Clements. Whose he you might say. One of the Listener 7 who bravely spoke up about Matauranga Maori not being science. He makes the point that Mason Durie speaking about MM some years back, had a very similar perspective.
MM incorporates the physical and spiritual world. Science is concerned with material reality. He gave a really good example of years ago when he was teaching evolutionary theory, a student who was religious wanted to talk about creationism. He refused because his was a science course.
It sounded to me that he was really effected by claims that science was a tool for oppression and colonisation (paradoxically said people want MM to be seen as science)
Professor Clements has paid a huge price for speaking out. He no longer teaches stage one or two student, as resigned as Dean.
Expect NZ to lose scientists overseas…….God save us (and I am not religious)
If anything is a tool for oppression and colonisation religion wins hands down.
Cyclists demands.
The issue is no one wants more aggro getting around Auckland than there already is and the cycle lobby demands will cause exactly that. Its that simple. Build fucking cycleways but don’t take up road space in the process.
Wanking off about taking a harbour bridge lane on a motorway system that groans at peak is incendiary to be people just trying to go about their lives with the least hassle as possible. And no, we won’t all go full Kermit the Frog on bikes and “free” the roads.
Lowrie wrote a very good blog in Greater Auckland once and it had a good variety of commenters but they and it turned tribal and ugly. Yes, it was peppered with colourful graphs that ultimately meant nothing but looked very authoritative so he knew just qhow to impress feeble minded government officials in doing so to push their agenda. But sadly it turned into an even worse echo chamber of bike enthusiast nut jobs and tin foil in hat wearers than “The Standards” die hard unquestioning Labour/Green voter contributors.
Cyclists never ending increasing demands (taking teachers carparks!) are a flash point of voter disharmony which I expect will influence local and central government elections. They are a horse I would not be backing up were I an aspiring government!
Sigma rule nber one – always promote gender equality. Woman are just going to have to take the hiding from the cops that is coming. Lead the way ladies.
Martyn, as you yourself noted on 17 March:
“Te Pāti Māori have today announced their policy to remove GST from kai as Aotearoa experiences the worst cost of living crisis in generations. …removing GST off fresh fruit and vegetables would allow people to purchase good food cheaply, the Maori Party are going further than that and allowing sugar drenched and fat drenched mass produced shit masquerading as food to also be allowed in a huge win for big sugar, but it’s so rare to get the Maori Party talking about issues rather than themselves, let’s take the wins where we can.”
So they’re not ALL about identity divisiveness.
But no matter. If Labour and the Greens continue their race to the bottom for the next year and a half, Te Pāti Māori, far from being queen-makers, will be angrily but impotently sharing the Opposition benches with them.
Regard Q+A: Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi
I find it strange that Rawiri Waititi rejects our current democracy and the terms it which it thinks, YET wants to use his position as a MP to establish a different form of democracy.
On one hand it’s democracy-in-action or the other hand it’s sedition.
When asked what “Treaty Centric” looked like they were unable to say. Both Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi seemed unwilling to paint-a-clear-picture of how the outworkings of their vision would look.
Those were my thoughts.
I was shocked at my reaction to the interview with the 2 Maori Party members . I have never thought of myself as racist and during my working life had dealings with many races both as work mates and clients .I never felt superior or threatened by other people whatever their race however at the end of the interview I was filled with fear if these 2 get any power after the next election. I can see race wars and inter tribal wars as these two undo years of fence building .
I will be the first to say Maori have not had it easy and have been wronged .At another level Chinese and many other immegrants who were not white have had it hard . All have wrongs that need adressing and perhaps it is happening to slow for some but it is happening. If these 2 get power I feel as a united nation we will go backwards .
I am interested in how others view the opinions of the Maori Party as stated by these 2 representatives
Agreed, Te Apartheid Pati are not for all kids. They are not for all Maori kids either.
Listen for “no true Scotsman” type arguments, which will be used to define away Maori that don’t fit the kaupapa. Eg Rawiri on marae speaking rights at 15min:15sec of the clip on the tvnz on demand page – “…or is it the non-Maori who can’t speak Maori but because he is a male he gets up and speaks on the Marae.” I suspect more and more Maori will become ‘Non-Maori’ to Rawiri. Ancestry won’t be enough. How about urbanised, intermarried, non Te Reo speaking, disconnected from rural marae, with ancestors that had low tribal status anyway if they were commoners or slaves? In tribal aristocracies, speaking rights are not just about gender – class is conveniently ignored by the interviewer.
Yes I would genuinely like to know how it would look. Would we still have a parliament? Election ofMPs? He was talking about the people having the mosy, not the Chef. How would that look with a population of 5million.? How does this fit with the catch cry of “the tyranny of the majority”?
I don’t think our current system is great, so am open to change, BUT I would need a lot of info about how it would work.
If it’s like the stunt Tamati Coffey pulled, no thank you!
Sour kraut who gives a toss what they are wearing (shallow) it is what they are saying and what policy ideas they have.
Maori party saying they won’t work with act is meaningless.
Any deal they’d have would be with national.
As Tariana used to say “we don’t have a deal with act”
NZ first didn’t have a deal with the greens it had a deal with labour.
Minor parties in govts don’t have deals with each other only the major party.
So as a party created to oppose labour they hate labour more than national.
This is a party that was open to negotiating with don brash in 2005 after his campaign of claiming maoris getting treated better than Pakeha and wanting to abolish the Maori seats and putting Brownlee as his Maori affairs spokesperson.
The Maori party first and foremost hate Labour.
I care less and less who wins the next election but the Maori party would do a deal with national to support a nat/act govt and it wouldn’t be working with act.
This is a party full of former bitter labour mps and candidates. They hate labour first and foremost.
They campaigned as a left wing party in 2020. Last year they listed their ideology as center left. Now their party ideology is listed as center to center left.
The good thing about Maori party is that they could agree to only support a national govt if act is not in cabinet.
They shan’t give labour a look in. Lmao.
Mana was a much better party. I’d love to see Mana be the balance of power. Holy shit that’d be fun