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  1. Whether our destiny is dependent on us adopting policies that are either ‘progressive’ or ‘restorative’, as Chris discusses here, it seems, to me at least, he’s overlooking the elephant in the room – us.
    History strongly suggests that there has never been a time when our species has ever lived in any sort of real socially just equilibrium, which suggests, equally strongly, it’s unlikely we’ll ever do so in the future.
    It seems that by our very nature we are destined to be continually moving towards and then retreating from “Jerusalem.” And it may be that a better future for our species might only be found in us coming to terms with that. But then that’s what religion all about, and look at all the trouble that has caused.

    1. ”…History strongly suggests that there has never been a time when our species has ever lived in any sort of real socially just equilibrium, which suggests, equally [as] strongly, it’s unlikely we’ll ever do so in the future”…

      That’s because we are, at our core, – despite what the utopian dreamers and humanists say, – the same old self seeking, survival based species we always were, and always will be. We are really not that much different from the mosquito, the elephant or the hedgehog,… all are out for a square meal, and for the easiest way to get it despite our high minded and ‘noble’ ideals with which we like to associate ourselves with.

      A wolf has more amoral virtue than us simply because there is no pretense or aspirations towards anything more! Alas we were given a ‘conscience!’.

      …”But then that’s what religion [is] all about, and look at all the trouble that has caused”…

      Is it. Is it really. One could argue that. Especially in light of the simple amoral conduct of the animal kingdom. Yet unlike the animal kingdom we have been endowed with something more, – along with an opposable thumb, and an overly large brain complete with [ by the natural worlds standards] a scrawny body,….we seem to have an advanced sense of right and wrong, one capable of perceiving justice and mercy, empathy and compassion, yet even the animals display simple traits such as these,…

      So what is it that makes the human condition different barring a seemingly more advanced state of self awareness?

      A conscience?,… and yet why do we hurtle headlong into self annihilation and planetary destruction? Surely an elephant or a silverback gorilla would not do these things? I think,… you hit upon it in part regarding ‘religion’. And I think, the answer to this conundrum, paradox and troublesome juxtaposition is an old fashioned, unpopular and so called ‘out of date’ concept ,- yet no less relevant,- ‘religious’ term called ‘SIN’.

      And there it is for all to see.

      Tough shite, aint it. Its called owning our own crap.

      1. It really is the difficulty of finding balance – knowing where to stop, yet not resiling from stepping up to have a say, claim our share, when there is opportunity and the outcome will produce more advantage than the sum of the problems and inputs required to get a and take away that advantage, now or in the future. So that’s our problem, having a big brain which is required to be cunning and understand nuance, and make simple all the way to immense calculations.
        And knowing the meaning of ‘The game is not worth the candle’ would be useful.
        Google –
        This expression, which began as a translation of a term used by the French essayist Michel de Montaigne in 1580, alludes to gambling by candlelight, which involved the expense of illumination. If the winnings were not sufficient, they did not warrant the expense.
        The game is not worth the candle. – Idioms and phrases –
        https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com › The+game+is+not

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