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  1. That was a horror story.

    The Guardian’s John Harris, travelling up and down the country as he does, was giving the alert on the angst of the ‘working class’ as far back as the last election.

    The ‘angry dispossessed’. The indigenous people of England.

    Meanwhile, in Scotland, 1320’s Declaration is again shaking off the dust.

    Interesting times…

  2. Seems more like “London Burning” now, Corbyn may be out some time this night NZ time, and the Labour Party in the UK broken, so badly, Corbyn may have to opt for starting a new party himself, or see to it that others are kind of thrown out, so a new start can be made.

    Having observed a somewhat weak Mr Corbyn over the campaign for that EU referendum, and now also struggling at times to “lead”, I wonder whether he is the man that can lead the progressive people in the UK (who are they now, how many are they, and are there any left in Scotland?) to an election win and into government.

    It seems radical changes are happening in England and London, and also the rest of the UK, we may see historic changes as a consequence of “Brexit”, that beast nobody expected to take this shape it has taken, and some across the Channel will also have a say in where it all ends.

  3. Last nights vote of no confidence in Corbyn confirms the last line of yourr article Chris. The end result is that there will be a figbt over the reselection of 174 MPs for any upcoming election. Its icivil war in both major parties.

  4. The referendum result has exposed the whole political class. All these MPs on both sides resigning and voting down leaders is symptomatic of their lack of calm in a crisis. It betrays a lack of trust in the electorates decision and shows that they fail the test of representing the electorate in favour of their personal loyalties and interests. It is a disgusting spectacle in the face of a storm. These people are unfit to lead.

  5. The referendum result has exposed the whole political class. All these MPs on both sides resigning and voting down leaders is symptomatic of their lack of calm in a crisis. It betrays a lack of trust in the electorates decision and shows that they fail the test of representing the electorate in favour of their personal loyalties and interests. It is a disgusting spectacle in the face of a storm. These people are unfit to lead.

    1. Pity our corrupt little double speak liar MP doesn’t take his walk down the plank also like doing the honourable thing.

      Nah he doesn’t go honourable.

  6. JC has to win this fight and I believe he will. He may not be the penultimate leader for the UK Labour party but his most important role right now is to break the right-wing of his party and bring about a genuine transformation of values and vision.
    When will we get our own NZ Jeremy Corbyn? We need one soon. The NZ Labour party is gutless and occupied by the same set of middle-class dinner table politicians as in the UK.

  7. If you think Boris Johnson looks anything remotely like Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) you need your glasses checked. If you watched the show, you’d also appreciate their political policy is completely different. I have no idea where the analogy is supposed to come from, unless you mean simply they both “make a grand entrance” – but even then, comparing someone who rides a fire breathing dragon to someone with a wacky haircut and a big mouth is pretty iffy.

  8. Scotland, has always historically seen Europe as their allies against their southern neighbor.

    It should come as no surprise that Scotland voted to ‘ remain’. Particularly their ties with the French against the English goes back century’s . Until that point of the Highland clearances and the breakup of the chief /clan system.

    England , … by contrast , … has always seen itself as aloof from the continent. England , … counted itself as a world leader and creator of the largest Empire in history.

    Do you think for just one moment that those sentiments passed down for generations will die just because we live in the age of post neo liberalism and the IT industry?

    You must be kidding.

    The collective memory of the English navies , the coal miner , the ship builder and the storekeeper is as English as gumboots and Fred Dagg is to New Zealand.

    And yes- even though the middle class traditionally looked down on the working class , – the working class had its own sort of imminent pride in itself – and proved itself time and again in England’s foreign wars fighting on bloody battlefields for the Empire.

    Even Hitler had a well earned respect for the English fighting ‘ Tommies’.

    They don’t go down easily.

    At all.

    Its a credit to that Empire that they assimilated so many of their traditional enemy’s among the Celts … many of the Highland Scots formed regiments in the English army. And were recognized as tough , front-line soldiers. As were the ‘ fighting Irish ‘ regiments. And they served well. The Welsh also sided and won credence with England when England / the UK was under threat.

    So why is it any real wonder that after centuries of this sort of tradition , hard knocks , reconciliation , unity and division that we should expect the English to abandon those traditional mindsets ? Why also is it any wonder that the Scots, – traditionally allied with Europe , should Not vote the way they did? Or the Irish?

    Did the Highland clearances or Bloody Sunday come that cheap ???

    To look into the whys and the wherefores is to study century’s of bloody hard won advancements. And it is here that the real roots of the BREXIT vote lie.

    It would be patronizing and presumptuous to condescend to offer an opinion on this without acknowledging the heartbeat of the people of the Uk , and their shared history …. and demeaning as well.

    It was their vote , it concerned them and them only and the rest of the world would just have to adjust .

    And if the rest of the world trembles because of that vote then that’s our problem. Not theirs. They knew what they were voting for.

    Maybe we should be applauding their democratic choice and the fact that that tough minded , proud and independent population gave the two fingered salute to neo liberalism and the excesses of the austerity programs and ridiculous oppressive regulations imposed on them from a distant so called parliament in Brussels.

    And maybe…just maybe… if we can extricate ourselves from our own presumptuous and self centered concerns … we can appreciate the toughness and potential risks true democracy can truly bring.

    Until then … clamoring about how the vote has landed in a country exactly half a planet away and seeking to decry their democratic vote simply because it affects us economically appears more like we are not the great advocates for democracy that we thought we were.

    The bottom line is : like it or lump it.

    The English voters who voted that way aren’t losing any sleep over it. And they certainly didn’t mind putting the boot into those of the Right or of the Left who got in their way . They knew what they wanted , – and it certainly wasn’t to have some bloated European bureaucracy calling the shots over their sovereign nation.

    Good on them.

    1. Fabulous honest wrap there Wild Katapo you put it actually correct 1000%, I should Know, I married a pom 40 years ago and she is a real fighter no worries there, its in there blood as being fighting invasions for eons all those pesky foreigners for centuries.

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