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  1. Covid aside people are talking about it… the attorney general needs to get involved to be honest.
    Both our big social agencies are seriously broken… and going be declining attendance and achievement our school system isnt far behind.

    The time for nice words and um kindness is long gone. We need hard truths and difficult decisions. We are failing the youth.

  2. NZ Criminal Organizations would usually have to kidnap or threaten Judges to get such an audience.

    What power does Oranga Tamariki have over the Judicial System? From what I’ve read above [and KiwiBlog] it sounds extremely corrupt – both Oranga Tamariki and the Judge(s) in question!

    With the likes Trevor Mallard still in power; PM Ardern and Cabinet have shown an unwillingness to confront or even acknowledge corruption at the highest levels.

    Anarcho-Tyranny:
    Anarcho-tyranny is a concept, where the state is argued to be more interested in controlling citizens so that they do not oppose the managerial class (tyranny) rather than controlling real criminals (causing anarchy). Laws are argued to be enforced only selectively, depending on what is perceived to be beneficial for the ruling elite.

    1. Both judges should be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, and the person responsible for appointing Wira to that well-paid position should fall on his/ her/ their/ it’s sword too.

    1. Very good point, all kids should be taught Te Ao Maori as part of being citizens of Aotearoa.

      1. Sounds backlashy dude. White institutions by nature are racist in the racist world that we live. Don’t be afraid of what Kendi has to say. It’s just how it is and how it’s been since 1840 .This crazy Kafkaesque scenario currently playing out at OT is not tikanga Maori, or actually behavior normal in any way by what seems to be a really nutso institution outta control! That poor Smith couple and child seem to have the full weight of OT against them for totally spurious reasons and I hope reason and justice will prevail. And a bit of common sense and humanity.

      2. Just to be clear, I am agreeing with Sam’s suggestion to teach Maori in schools, not the sarcastic comment by thekraut, above.

      3. Do you also support all children learning sign language – the 3rd official language of Aotearoa New Zealand

        1. Are you functionally retarded?

          Sign is right for disabled people to claim.

          Do I need to explain to you any further how language works or do you need to have your hand held some more around basic stuff?

  3. Attempted interference in the judicial process by Gardiner or anybody else, for any reason whatsoever, is audacious and dangerous and usurps the rule of law.

  4. I have followed this story and it makes me wonder why anyone would trust these OT people and be happy to work with them.Another government department that is out of control and trying to cover their butt. Roads health prisons police they all are out of control and now this same government want control of our water

    1. Trevor -Alternatively, this may be the face of the separate Maori justice system which the divisive separatist activists want. They do things differently. They’re not into co-operative coexistence, or the gentle art of compromise. They moved too soon, and they got caught out, stumbling backwards.

  5. Oranga Tamariki sound like a disaster, they are not what I would call a public service organization. I am surprised that they have not interfered (about the kindest word I could use) in mixed-race solo parent families also although since I have no involvement with them maybe they do?

    1. Mainstream and to a lesser degree, alternative media (ie. this site) really have little idea of what happens within Oranga Tamariki. Social work practice has often been far from optimal – but there are clear reasons for this such as a lack of social workers for the workload, increasing paperwork requirements for social workers that mean they spend less time with children on their caseload than previously (despite management promises to the contrary), and there is less flexibility for social workers (again, despite being promised the contrary would occur). Working at Oranga Tamariki is a bureaucratic nightmare at best and just plain cumbersome, siloed, dishonest (in some cases) and unresponsive to the needs of the children it purports to support.

  6. I’m glad you’re onto this Martyn, and how terrifying and heinous this is, least of all for the poor little girl being treated like a football in OT’s ideological game.

    Whilst I agree neo-liberalism is a problem, I don’t think it’s so simple to disentangle Tikanga or apply it separately from Critical Race Theory anymore. CRT has been adopted by Iwi elites and almost wholesale invaded Maori academia and humanities studies. Have you seen the Māori Pandemic Coordination Group’s advice? It reads like Ibram X. Kendi’s wrote it with one sole answer to rule them all: systemic racism, of course.

    CRT has massive significant narrative and political power and is going to make it increasingly impossible to support Maori self-development whilst rejecting social justice zealotry.

  7. As a former child, and a mother, and a grandmother, and a human being, I believe that Oranga Tamariki social workers trying to uproot happily settled children because they dislike the colour white, is indefensible institutional insanity, and there must be processes available to call them to account. Children as human sacrifices may be Old Testament, but all our children are this country’s future, and they deserve to be treated with love and respect, not pushed around like ideological pawns – government must take immediate ownership of such damaging practices and not even try to fob us off with the usual pr talk of love and kindness when behaving so very badly. Those poor children, abused again, officially.

  8. The woke have nothing else to do but obsess about race based theories by dysfunctional, lying people often hired solely on their phenotype and ‘diversity’ rather than actual skills. These woke then go on to destroy lives and pull their trump card of ‘diversity’ when they are challenged on poor decisions.

    In this case it seems to be destroying the chance for these kids to have happiness and security. In schools, clubs, maraes there is access to significant Maori culture available, it’s not like schools/times of 50 years ago.

    We have gone from the stolen generation to another stolen generation in the opposite direction (aka children are kept in abusive situations and abusive state care, because government policy is still racist, aka the implementation of public policy feels that a white caregiver is worse than abuse and neglect). Remember also most Maori are bi-racial – there is just as much “white” pakeha blood represented as Maori in most cases. So if a bi-racial child has access to Maori culture in schools and other places then their needs should be able to be met. Again the perceived micro aggressions (wiping marmite from hands) are found to be more important than the kids being uplifted against their will, to be neglected, abused and frightened for their well-being every day.

    Again it is a bit like my points to John Minto over his hyperbole about “the vile and repugnant racism and anti-semitism”, which sounds like a few rednecks on their usual subjects who want to keep the name New Zealand and do not agree with creating three waters, blah, blah, but now the woke wants to put them all in jail for hate speech. Remember we are in the middle of a pandemic, but this concern takes priority. The irony is that most of the post was made up of people accusing Minto of anti-semitism.

    Ok so Groundswell don’t believe in Te Reo, but ask what is more important to Maori family, that their language is represented in government departments or that the government departments actually work and get them a house, decent job, health care, food, social interaction, education and decent quality of life and of course Oranga Tamariki helping abused and neglected children, being proved incompetent liars in reports … (aka close relationship with grandfather, when the grandfather is dead).

    The woke police need to be more in touch with the reality of life in NZ for those at the bottom of the heap. I’d say Te Reo is not as high up in their eyes as safety, meth, housing, food, health care etc for most people polled in NZ, but clearly by the millions spent re-branding government property to Te Reo was the no 1 priority for politicians. Now we have the concept spreading into the race police of Oranga Tamariki.

    I think that being a Oranga Tamariki employee is probably a very tough job, but that is no excuse for allowing straight out lies and poorer and poorer practises and outcomes for children and their caregivers who become the investigated. (wonder why they struggle to get caregivers at OT anymore).

    1. Hard to fault most of this reasoning. The only thing I would say is Te Reo and renaming of New Zealand is more complex.

      Some Groundswell are just racist and don’t want Te Reo anywhere. Some, like me, dislike the Te Reo compulsion that is forced upon the population but happily embrace a positive biculturalism. But we’ve gone to suppressing Maori culture in the first 100 years of NZ to fetishising it now. Neither is useful or right.

      Don’t get me started in NZ. I’m actually open to Aotearoa – but by the choice of the people. New Zealand is the name we all grew up with and have deep social, emotional, international connections to.

      Cambodia became Kampuchea, Burma became Mynamar – by compulsion of zealots seeking a Year Zero reset. Non-democratic name changes have a terrible pedigree. Te Triti you say? Explain to me how – even if New Zealand can be seen as a “forced” colonial name – that forcing it back without any say of the people now is superior justice? Underlying that is the same type of racist “anti-racism” of woke acolytes at OT.

  9. Over this year I’ve noticed that TDB & KB are increasingly aligned on many matters of public opinion.

    “It’s just a step to the left and a jump to the right…”

    The good old Standard remains an echo chamber of Govt propaganda.

  10. Sounds backlashy dude. White institutions by nature are racist in the racist world that we live. Don’t be afraid of what Kendi has to say. It’s just how it is and how it’s been since 1840 .This crazy Kafkaesque scenario currently playing out at OT is not tikanga Maori, or actually behavior normal in any way by what seems to be a really nutso institution outta control! That poor Smith couple and child seem to have the full weight of OT against them for totally spurious reasons and I hope reason and justice will prevail. And a bit of common sense and humanity.

  11. Thank you for this clear outline of this awful case. Many good points made by Daily Blog commenters. Unacceptable actions, not just by Sir Wira, but also by the 2 judges he roped in.
    Ironically, Trump’s latest speech intersects quite nicely with Kiwiblog’s stance, “Everything woke turns to shit”.

    1. Hartman Abrolhos Gardiner woke ? Far from it. The guy meant to be straightening out Oranga Tamariki was a blue fellow , with at least one of his wives a National M P protege, of Prime Minister Key.

    2. Sorry, I should have said that two of Wira Gardiner’s wives have been National Party MP’s. Government
      may have stuffed up being too damn inclusive and diverse entrusting the well-being of our beautiful children to the colour blue.

  12. “OT Social Worker whom the Judge destroyed in questioning.” I would have said the OT Social Worker destroyed herself answering as she did. Destroyed herself by her handling of the situation.
    The wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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