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  1. Of course we can afford to. ACC has been fleeced to create a pool of capital for various people to dip their greasy hands into. It would be great to see a fully audit of ACC going right back to the 1980s, and where all the money that went in over the years has spent time.

    On a slightly different topic, there is another way the government could massively increase revenue, and it could be tied to spending health (and education) as it was in Washington and Colorado; create a regulated, taxed, R18 market for cannabis. Colorado has about the same population as Aotearoa, and within a few years of legalizing, they ran out of ways to spend their massively increased health and education budget, and had to pass an amendment to allow tax revenue from cannabis sales to go into the general fund.

    Even the Drug Foundation, with counts some *very* conservative organizations like the Sallies among its membership, is now recommending a legal cannabis market. When, oh when will the politicians catch up?

    1. Even the Drug Foundation, with counts some *very* conservative organizations like the Sallies among its membership, is now recommending a legal cannabis market. When, oh when will the politicians catch up?

      Once they’ve worked out a way so that only Big Pharma can profit from it and all the small people are prevented from competing with them.

      That is, of course, why Labour didn’t back Chloe Swarbrick’s bill that allowed any one to grow their own. It actually allowed and encouraged competition and even, dare I say it, cooperation.

  2. Totally agree with this advice on all aspects.
    The huge surplus fund should go towards funding urgent state / public needs.
    The ACC system has been mongrelised and is now a monster. People who should have received ACC support were denied, time and time again while the private practitioners who were paid by ACC to provide patient ACC care – the patients lucky enough to be granted it by ACC – have built small glass palaces to practise out of. It all needs roping in.

  3. I assume that the bulk of that fund however is invested in offshore markets….theres a reason for that, to spread risk. Now I agree that now is not necessarily a great time to be exposed to those markets but is it wise to repatriate it ?….perhaps a percentage and I guess given the time required to implement any substantial infrastructure project it could be done over a period. Certainly the intent could be announced,

    Your call may well be prophetic.

  4. “I explained a few weeks ago that the government had $36 billion in an investment account that could be taken and used to fund the desperate improvements we need in the health sector. They could do this without breaching their self-imposed fiscal responsibility rules.”

    Mr Woodhouse lived in another age, and perhaps his later comments were formed by that.

    Mike, the investment the ACC Corp has in overseas shares and bonds and so, that is casino money. It has so far paid off for the gamblers in charge of the ACC Fund, to win, and get more in return, for what they ‘invested’, i.e. gambled with on the international markets.

    That may of course change one day, but why disturb the ‘gambler’ doing ‘well’ for NZ Inc?

    Are you an idealist or pragmatist, the pragmatist we have in the present government is happy with the status quo, and happy to get more returns, and do with it what they see fit.

    The idealist may think otherwise, see the risks, and warn, hey, do it differently

    So we have voters who can decide, do they know, do they understand, do they act as informed voters and democrats?

    I doubt they are, so I get your point, but as we are linked into an international market where EVERYTHING is TRADED, even humans as workers or not, we are condemned to play the shit game we have.

    Voters can opt out, as they are not informed, they are too frightened to do so, hence a authoritarian government can decide for them, but have we got one that has the guts?

    I despair at times, at the naivety, or indifference I see and hear around me. You write some sensible stuff here, but it seems like an isolationist viewpoint, not based on the real world we face, and which we are locked into. I hear the activist base scream and shout, but have they the voters behind them?

    1. Are you an idealist or pragmatist, the pragmatist we have in the present government is happy with the status quo, and happy to get more returns, and do with it what they see fit.

      The status quo is not pragmatic. Pragmatism is all about doing what is possible and capitalism simply doesn’t work in the Real World which means that it’s not possible. That’s why it always collapses and takes entire civilisations with it.

  5. “But one aspect of the scheme recommended by Woodhouse was subsequently undermined at great cost to New Zealand society – that was that the scheme be run simply as a pay-as-you-go system from current levies and taxation – not based on the private insurance models that inevitably were much more expensive to run and led to a denial of peoples entitlements in the search for profit.”

    You may fail to realise, the pay as you go model functions well in a ‘growing economy’, which in NZ Inc is really often based on a growing population creating a ‘growing economy’ situation, nothing else.

    The flaw with that system is that you have a growing base of younger and/or immigrant population, that funds the relatively affordable existing population percentage needing ACC support. The same principle applies to retirement incomes and services, it is like have more babies and you will be looked after well.

    The insurance model is more like pay and save, and make sure that you have enough for the needs that come with sickness, injury and old age.

    That is never an easy model, but it is more reliant on good investment in ‘productive’ economic activities, so that a country or society can afford what it needs.

    Of course both approaches have some flaws.

    But we have in NZ had a lazy approach by various governments, both left and right, to ‘solve’ the challenges. John Key chose immigration and easy investment regulations to do this, this government has caved in and is also using immigration to solve many issues, and with ACC, I think, they will be no different to Nats.

    If you can present a solution that does NOT rely on growing the population, i. e. more kids or more immigrants carrying the relative burden for the sick, injured and aged, then I will commend you. If you simply follow the flawed past approaches, you are in dead end street territory, I’d say.

    NZ has limited territory, limited resources and hence can only sustainably have so much in population. So far I see most politicians behave like lazy folk or cowards, not addressing the real problem and challenges. In any way, the more people we have, and the more we shift the final solutions into the future, we are condemning our future generations to a failed state and society scenario, where nothing will be sustainable. We are close to that in Auckland, so do not sow sand into people’s eyes, do not sell illusions and lies, face up to it, we cannot carry on as usual.

  6. In 1972 it was envisaged the fund would be built up to a point where it would be applied for illnesses. Redic that a young mother or father with terminal cancer get poor state support when a crim gets compo for injuries incurred on a burglary.
    ACC has become an exploitive carbuncle on the neck of society

  7. Good to see this questioned

    Worse still the assets in ACC are not offset against gross debt when the government is calculating its net debt target.

    The fund tries to make ACC look like private insurance. Sir Owen rightly insisted it was Social insurance- not constrained by the fine print and making a profit

  8. Good stuff, Mike Treen, and I liked the way your blog got lotsa support from comment. I think we should pursue the Labour led government’s fixation on balancing the budget, you say “self imposed fiscal responsibility”. Get real Robertson, reject the Nats neo-liberal argument for not ‘over spending’ that conveniently ignores their own agenda for not spending on basic social services, failing to sustain decent health care,education etc which the new government are now struggling to provide. Past Labour governments went into debt, borrowed to put things right. Respect the social wage contribution which should support the needs of ordinary people.

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