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  1. Could not agree more with everything you say here. Except I don’t think that billionaires actually pay a cent in tax as they claim off whatever philanthropy they hand out back. And 2% tax is too little.

  2. Trevor can’t get his head around GST it’s too complicated for him.

    1. I worked it out well enough to pay it for 25 years and get a ticket from inland revenue from my 2 audits.
      I understood it because it is so simple and NZ is recognized world wide for its simple GST.
      UK vat is a nightmare with different tax on a pie if it is hot or cold and different tax if a food is a sweet or not.
      Gordon’s post below shows he understands its fairness and captures the rich .

      1. Then stop fucking complaining about those that want GST on fruit and veges if you know it so well.

        1. I do not complain about those that want GST on fruit and veg it is those that want it off I complain about

      2. yes its real easy .Charge your customer 15% tax on the product or job you have done .Subtract any GST for the product or materials ,rent and other expenses then pay whats left to IRD .If you move to different rates for different things you will be there all day working it out .When I had to do it it took me about an hour a week .
        Thats the only thing the pig farmer got right and the fact it has remained unmolested for 40 odd years proves that it is a good system .

  3. GST is simple and hard to avoid as the inland revenue pointed out this morning with companies who have been collecting it from the customer and not paying IRD .There is now $4 billion outstanding which is a sign that a lot of companies will fold in the next year .Instead of having 20 different taxes maybe we could have the first $50k tax free and then a flat rate of 15% on the rest .At least the rich and famous would be paying 15% more than they do now .Or we could have a transaction fee on all transactions .

    1. That’s not how the wealthy rock Gordon..
      If it was tax free to 50k and then 15%, they would never earn a dollar more than 50,000.
      You need to get rid of their ability to manipulate their income to minimise taxes. Not just rearrange the tax rates.

    2. What you are proposing as a flat tax sounds very similar to what Roger Douglas was trying to do 30 years ago.

    3. 50k tax free goes to the wealthy too. how about rebates and free tax advice for low income earners.

  4. Over the centuries the money worshippers have created the world we live in where wealth begets wealth and the poor are trapped in a life of misery. This is why we are brainwashed with lies like tall poppy syndrome and the American dream.
    So, we could tax the rich all we like, but with there wealth and power and influence they control the narrative and will always end up increasing their wealth exponentially under the current system.
    So we either exterminate them, or the current system needs to be dismantled.
    That means getting rid of corporations, limited liability companies, shell companies, tax havens, trusts, electronic money, derivatives, and above all, property rights.
    This means anyone who is acting outside the best interests of society can be sued out of existence. There are no legal entities to hide from.
    To be fair, it may be worthwhile setting aside a private island for these sovereign individuals that they can call their own and determine whatever rules they like. Perhaps even a planet such as Mars.
    We can then study them and see whether they really are the source of al the world’s wealth, innovation and productivity that their narcissistic minds think they are, or just another form of parasitic fungi.

    1. You started all right however your solution will only make things worse, wealth inequality is the problem and people should be fairly rewarded for being productive (workers and owners) with realistic support for those in difficulty. The current system supports those with wealth like you say and both major parties seem content to keep that system with the left providing a few perks to minority groups. Getting a wide agreement on what is a fair reward and realistic support is the problem.

  5. Wealth disparity. It’s been like that for eons I suspect, in numerous socities, in numerous civilizations. Biblical tales talk of the difficulty of wealthy folk passing through the eye of the needle, a reference to overladen camels not able to squeeze through narrow spaces in the city walls I believe. A good many civilizations were built on human exploitation, slavery and extreme poverty. In the middle ages poor people starved to death because in bad years wealthy folk took their entitlement and left a pittance. Is the modern global world so different? In some ways probably yes. In other ways much the same.

    How do some folk get so wealthy? I mean the billionaire class, the 1%ers Inheritance? Hard work? Good fortune? A smart idea? Ruthless exploitation of others? Cunning exploitation of the system? I really don’t know. Even those with lots, a beachfront house, a city apartment, two or more flash cars, how the fuck did they get it all?

    Then there’s the poor sods who have nothing, not even roof over their head. And those who struggle to earn a living wage. And those who do but still struggle. And those for whom life has been kind, with ups and downs, able to get by in a modest way, even very comfortably, some dismissive of those beneath them, some envious of those with more, but many more or less content with what they’ve got and quietly relieved things could have been worse.

    The role of the state? The purpose of taxation? You could write a book on it, volumes in fact, not only economics but on the human condition itself. My view for what it’s worth is that the state does have a role in ensuring a fairer taxation regime. Bring it on.

    1. True Gordon, less consumption less GST. And there’s too much senseless consumption. But GST is everywhere. On your grocery ticket, your plumbers invoice, on the odd bottle of grog you drink.

  6. A fascinating, if abbreviated, insight into the currents of modern New Zealand progressive thought.

  7. GST is regressive. the rich DGAF, the poor just pay.

    Pay to play society. – all you poors can just stay in your tent because it’ll cost you an arm or a kidney to leave it. just stay down and let us pay and play ya fucking bottom-feeders

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