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  1. I don’t know whether you missed it but Seymour did propose a charge at source to replace the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) which is admittedly a failure. The flaw is that his initial charge would be zero.

    That is he proposes substituting a deeply flawed ETS scheme with a no charge charge scheme. yeah right

  2. Chris you have put up your article twice in succession.

    It looks as if the right are seeking the success with the green movement that they have had to at least some degree with progressive liberalism. Basically they are saying, if it’s not socialism we can absorb it, if it is socialism we can render it ineffective by robbing it of allies. If Shaw really does want to pull the Greens rightward, he will be faced with resistance from those members that stick with the Greens because they consider Labour to be too far to the right.

  3. Let’s give the Green party a little while to respond – I’m not sure how much attention they should pay to a party polling less than the margin of error and reduced to inviting speeches from journalists at their ‘conference’.

    It might as you surmise indicate an unwarranted lurch to the right – but if not the left are done no service by crying “j’accuse” prematurely.

    1. Yeah, the interesting thing is ACT’s shift, not the Green’s response. The goal in politics is to get the other side to accept your ideology. Thatcher did it with Blair, Clinton, Clark etc. The Greens have done it in NZ (without being in power is a point we shouldn’t ignore). Now the Greens should dig in the heels and move further to the left to cement this. The worst thing the Greens could do is go into a National based coalition – then all of the ideological gains were made for nothing…we’ll see what they do over the next decade or so.

      1. ACT’s greenward move is a pretty poor copy at this stage – like a child’s drawing of what they imagine Green policy to be – rather like Dave’s waffle about socialism that demonstrates conclusively that he a) knows nothing about socialism and b) knows nothing about the Greens.

        The Gnats, bless them, are not an intelligent party. They do not understand Green policy, which means they tend to fight about the wrong things. They took Green repproaches of ministerial lying as a political attack for instance, when it is really a quality assurance warning that they (the Gnats) are failing NZ.

        I think Chris may have missed the target this time however – a manipulative Green party dying to leap into bed with Key would not I suspect have given speeches like Gareth’s or Eugenie’s that might come back to haunt them. They’d have been toned down – more like Grant Robertson’s.

  4. There is no such thing as ‘green’ within the framework of current politics; some political parties want to wreck the environment a little faster than others, some a little slower, but all promote policies geared to wrecking it.

    The greatest hypocrisy comes from the so-called Green party, which until recently promoted international tourism (dependent on massive per capita use of fossil fuels and contributing inordinately to emissions) as ‘a sustainable component of the NZ economy’, and is still keen on tourism and ‘development’:

    ‘Vision

    The Green Party envisions an Aotearoa New Zealand in which:

    Tourism contributes positively to national and local economic development.

    People choose holidays that enhance their own lives and the lives of all of the other species and communities with which we share the planet.
    New Zealanders develop a stronger “holiday close to home” focus.
    Overseas visitors choose to stay longer and visit more parts of New Zealand.

    Visitors are encouraged to show respect for the natural beauty and heritage of Aotearoa/ New Zealand and to support our efforts to preserve this.’

    https://home.greens.org.nz/policy/tourism-policy

    Not so long ago we heard complaints from the ‘Greens’ about the decline in NZ manufacturing, and then calls for Quantitative Easing to stimulate economic growth.

    I don’t know what planet politicians are living on but it’s not the same one I am living on, the one that is undergoing Planetary Meltdown and is the scene of the Sixth Great Extinction Event (which will eventually include homo sapiens).

    Is it any wonder that the level of disengagement increases with time when it is blatantly obvious that we are governed by criminals, clowns and nincompoops, and the wanna-bes are not significantly better?

  5. Environmentalism is mainstream now, so no surprise to see ACT finally board the train. Maybe National told ACT they’ll get a contest in Epsom if they can’t connect with the Greens? National don’t need ACT like they used to, and as neoliberalism continues to stumble, their libertarian ideology is becoming more of a liability. It’s dangerous to kill off the smaller support party that sits further from the centre – Labour did it and it shifted the political centre away from them. Key is not so bothered by that, he wants a forth term and he’s more than happy to float back to the centre-right where he was for his first three years as PM.

    Key would love a forth term of a Nat, Green, MP, UF and ACT coalition. If that happened then UF and ACT look like deadwood. UF might be useful to maintain Key’s centrist image. That coalition would leave Labour looking like a fuddy-duddy tag-team with NZ First… crusty old reactionaries on the sideline blaming the immigrants for housing.

    A shrewd move from ACT and probably caused by a nudge from National. All this is a possible because Labour publicly executed MANA at the last election instead of pushing for left-wing coalition of Lab, Greens and InternetMana – John Key’s still laughing about that one.

    But if this does happen the Greens are changed forever (or already changed?). Their base is left, their grassroots connections are left and their energy is from the left. Not much left if that goes. It’ll be tree-planting photo-ops with ex-tobacco lobbyists. Classy

  6. Enviromentalism is where the votes are hence ACT are changing their strategy seeing as neoliberalism has failed. They are changing shape or shifting the paradigm?

    1. ACT have gone back to their core beliefs – and Prebble’s core belief is that he can steal Landcorp without landing in prison.

  7. In the Green branch I’m in there wouldn’t be a single member who would support a coalition with National. I don’t doubt the same views run right through the party.

  8. What I DO find interesting is that there seems to be a sudden desire on the part of both the right and the left of the political spectrum to attack the Greens whereas before they were mostly ignored.

  9. “to say the least. Big Business may be feeling reassured by Act’s belated conversion to Green Capitalism; but nowhere near as reassured as it’s being made to feel by the Green Party’s failure to instantly and publicly denounce it.”

    Yes Chris I left the Greens because they now have empty vessels lie James Shaw that when you write to them to express your views you never get any responses!!!!

    All are like David Seymour just empty vessels or more aptly like Hollow men as Nicky Hagar rightly calls them all.

  10. Why, then, have the Greens not seized this opportunity to expose the hollowness of Seymour’s conversion to green politics? Why not strangle Act’s green changeling in its cradle?

    The answer, surely, lies in the Greens ongoing repositioning as a potential National Party coalition partner.

    Or… just as likely, the Greens simply couldn’t be arsed?

    Why give oxygen to a 1% Party (1% being it’s electoral party-vote support and who it represents)?

    Seymour’s speech will be a one-day wonder, as the 24 Hours news-cycle moves on to the next crime story or graphic reporting of the latest horror road-crash…

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