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  1. The strongest argument that NZ polluters must pay for their private greed and not go on welfare to allow them to ‘adapt’ to the impact of climate catastrophe, is that THEY have directly caused the worst features of extreme climate events.

    Just like the ferals who are still deforesting the Amazon it was the invasion of the land grabbers that deforested Aotearoa and who have sucked out the wealth of nature ever since. Adaptation accepts that history as OK and makes us pay for their refusal to retreat from their ongoing profits.

    The best way to mitigate climate change in NZ is for the taxpayers – the workers and working farmers who create the wealth pay all the taxes – to refuse to pay to compensate the profiteers for the disasters caused by their own blind greed.

    We need to nationalise the land to control who is entitled to work it. Land is a monopoly abused by private ownership. We need to leaseback land use to those who can prove they can use it sustainably.

    To do that we need a government of the workers and not the financial parasites and land speculators.

  2. That’s because we can only mitigate, since our total greenhouse emissions are 0.1% of the global. So even if we deleted every person and cow and sheep in New Zealand it will have a negliable effect here anyway. Assuming we only got rid of the cows, we would simply just import meat/dairy from our trading partners (some of which will be happy to clear forest to expand their herd) and everything we export will similarly be picked up by their trading partners (which is particularly stupid, since New Zealand farmers are among the most sustainable in the world with far lower environmental impact than say US cattle farmers who feed their cows on heavily subsidised corn crops).

    1. Who is suggesting that farmers kill off their herds? Please try and make a rational argument.

      1. Exactly Standalone. These people talk utter shit. They are the same people that regard any government debt as the equivalent of polio and ‘how dare we give future generations anything to pay off’ while being completely ok with f’ing the planet.

  3. Of course we adaption is the only sensible policy.

    Billions of third worlders are not going to stop burning coal, and why should they.

    We are standing in the face of a tidal wave. You don’t try and stop the wave, you run to higher ground, build higher, build sea walls and adapt.

    1. Great adapt by all means but if you do nothing about omissions you are constantly trying to adapt to moving goal post. We need to do both as a race.

    2. Will sea walls hold back the billions of people from developing nations that will do anything to survive and they face starvation and certain death
      Or do we need a Donald Trump scale wall

  4. Capitalism works against tackling climate change.

    This is what sits behind the lose-lose “we are insignificant” arguments.
    Capitalist competition will punish those who move first.
    Capitalism will destroy civil society.

  5. Adaptation without mitigation is nonsense as we will never adapt fast enough.
    And the climate models have never, ever included the full impact of changes in oceanic temperatures, which are an order of magnitude greater than modelled.
    The impacts will get exponentially worse, whether they double every 10 years in severity, or every 3 years, depends on our ability to mitigate.
    Unfortunately the “experts” have other solutions, which will each bring their own catastrophe, perhaps an ice age if my research is correct.
    We need urgent mitigation and even more urgent adaptation, even the billionaires are not going to survive on the moon or mars for at least another 50 years.

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