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  1. Oh how I love David Seymour, let me count the ways. I’ve been lurking on this blog a while and thought I would post something on a concept that I’ve wondered about, the concept of trickle down moronic idiocy, straight out of the Trump playbook. The idiocy of wanting to reinstate tax deductibility on investment properties, because this would somehow improve the rental situation and help renters, oh how my heart goes out to that sentiment. And the Act party being against the removal of gst from fruit and vege, because, wait for it, it would mostly benefit wealthy people. Firstly everyone rich or poor, has to eat. And secondly, since when did Act want to avoid helping the wealthy. And if Act is so against helping the wealthy (eye roll), they should be against reinstating investment property tax deductibility, but they wont, because their logic is more supple than a top yoga contortionist. Helping rich landlords, somehow helps poor renters. Helping consumers buy fruit and vege, somehow harms someone somewhere, oh wait, it helps poor people less, and therefore must be bad. And you know the minute the govt changes, Act will get rid of the gun register and allow machine guns back into the country, and then will they revert to the upside down NRA argument, that more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens will reduce gun violence (FFS). Just as a refresher for anyone who graduated from kindergarten – fewer guns is what reduces gun violence.

    1. Destroying the Worlds simplist GST system to garner a few votes at the expense of many small business is shameful

      1. yep – should have gst altogether and implemented cgt, lvt and ftt. centralise local govt. and let the AI run the place. and luxon talks of wasteful spending. lol – he won’t cut shit except his own contributions to society.

    2. Nailed it Sue. I also note Luxon of Nazareth making comments about restrictions of foreign ownership of housing. But he wants to help local first home buyers of course

  2. Tweaking GST in this way does not directly help the poor, it produces a few dollars savings for everyone including those who don’t need it. Those who actually work with the poor claim that the poor would benefit much more by increasing the funding to the infrastructure that’s already in place – and that’s the green purchasing card system already administered by MSD.

    1. So people like myself and my family where our salaries mean we earn too much to have a community services card, meanwhile we struggle day to day to pay our mortgage and feed our two young children don’t deserve a little bit of support now and again?
      The best thing the Government did in the last term was the almost universal cost of living payment and universal half price public transport. Those two initiatives made a huge difference to our family and I am dreading when Metlink introduce the full fares on 1 September. Public transport is not cheap!
      The best thing the left can do to bring the centrist voters along with them is to make as many changes universal, so that everyone benefits.
      GST is a regressive tax that punishes low income kiwis the most. Any initiative to reduce the amount of GST paid overall will disproportionately benefit low income NZers the most, even though those on higher income also benefit, just to a smaller extent.

  3. You have more confidence in the Labour leadership than I do, I suspect that the best explanation for their actions is that they are out of touch about how real people think.

  4. It all depends how Talbot Mills or whoever surveyed voters, how those questions could only have one answer. The one Labour paid for.

    Labour aren’t clever, they are dishonest though and most especially retarded. The latest yesterday was their flagship immigration fast track policy is seeing victims of it royally defrauded of their meagre resources by charlatans posing as accredited immigration consultants or employers because of a deeply flawed unpoliced accreditation system. The system is so poorly thought out, it is breath taking and internationally embarrassing. But it’s premium Labour 2017-2023.

    So come this election all Labour have is clever politicking, burying information, slight of hand, get it out of the headlines but don’t fix it because they don’t know how and abysmally thought out policy, starting some time in the next decade.But the longer we as a nation live of the sugar diet these idiot politicians feed us the sicker we get.

    If it’s not transparently obvious by now to the average voter, Labour are useless, underhand and are not the answer. A mindless removal of GST on fresh fruit and vegetables is something that has a ton of negative consequences for virtually no gain is exactly the kind of policy and party you don’t want in government!

  5. A Trotteresque thought experiment…the fact is David Parker was on the outer after the IRD confirmed the inequity of the tax system which favours the better off.
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-04-2023/bernard-hickey-and-david-parker-get-down-to-brass-tax

    Many people do support GST off fruit and veg despite the experts pile on this week, it makes a slight price adjustment and highlights actually eating healthy food!–what a terrible thing…

    Cap’n Chippy’s CGT/wealth tax call was disastrous, but perhaps not yet fatal in terms of a narrow electoral win.

    My thought experiment is if Labour/Greens/TPM achieve a narrow victory there will be a shift in the Labour Caucus if they can bring themselves to form a Govt. that supports the Greens basic income and TPM tax policy.

  6. In essence this article say that Labour’s base is financially illiterate. Something that has been obvious to the rest of us for decades. Because that’s why they’re poor.

    1. Good comment Andrew. Few if any business people would be Labour supporters of this current mob ascthey do not seem to know which way is up.

    2. The Joyce 11 billion hole and Key/English with their GST increase, income tax decrease that was supposed to be fiscally neutral but cost millions instead is enough to show that financial illiteracy is across all political party supporters

  7. ” How many economists and tax lawyers does it take to prevent a meaningful redistribution of wealth? Now we know.”

    As an economist I find this annoying. Time and again the politicians get presented with good advice from tax lawyers and economists.

    CGT

    Land value tax

    Lift capital per capita to grow real incomes

    Enable more housing to be built

    And time and again the politicians do what they will to get elected. They govern by focus group, so you get GST off fruit and vege instead of a land value tax.

    Don’t blame us for the incompetent waffle the spineless muppets the rest of you vote for spout out.

    You get the government you deserve.

  8. “Covid is gone” is another sloppy electoral ploy. It surprises me that Verrall shows her face in public. Had she and Logie never left Invercargill, the broader community would be healthier IMO. Best of luck to the health workers and all unwell persons.

  9. Chris draws a long bow here but may very well be right. Some recent Labour moves have also been so fundamentally stupid, undercooked, or negligent in the promotion dept that you basically have to pray there is some ulterior “strategy” that even Baldrick couldn’t come up with at play. eg deliberately driving voters to the Greens and Te Pati Maori in order to boost their badly needed electoral/coalition results?

    However the bigger challenge for Labour is getting these very Labour people who support taking GST off fruit and veges – especially those in the lower socio-economic areas that will most benefit – out the door to actually VOTE.

    The result of the recent Auckland mayoral elections springs to mind…

  10. Another good analysis Mr Trotter. Especially your comment- “Who knew there were so many economists and tax lawyers in our unhappy little country?”
    During the height of the covid pandemic who knew there were so many epidemiologists in our country?
    Perhaps the epidemiologists have metamorphosed into economists as that’s where the money is now.
    Further to your theory that Labour leaked to Nicola – In retrospect, the plan was better than cunning – it was brilliant.
    Keep it up. You’re getting better.

  11. Interesting CT. I think you are right about the Cause and Effect on this but my big question mark is over whether we really believe Labour has the smarts to pull this off deliberately or whether it is happenstance. I suppose the Chipster has been around a long time and will have picked up some things over the years.

    Pity that despite the GST moves they are still not a social democratic party.

  12. Labour strategists could be as smart as Chris suggests or they already could see they were losing voters to Winstons no fruit & vege gst. If it was the former they would have scrapped gst off all food or better still scrapped gst because it’s a regressive tax that cruelly hurts the poor more than the wealthy.

    1. The Removal of GST off Fresh Fruit & Vegetables has always been NZF _Policy since Adam was a Cowbqy !!!

  13. My first reaction was this is stupid to complicate GST. In reality its quite trivial as it’s only supermarkets and fruit shops who only need to change some parameters in their software. Going forward why not remove GST off all healthy food. No need for sugar tax.

    1. What about fresh fruit growers now being unable to claim back gst inputs on their products they have grown? All that fertilizer cost and diesel etc will just be added onto the cost of the fruit anyway and therefore not much difference in price.

      1. Where are you getting your information from you need to discuss this with your accountant.

    2. Their software will already handle variable gst rates per item, and as for what is and isn’t liable just copy what australia does they went through this debate years ago.

  14. But Chris your so called shill’s are right. The GST move is dumb in economic terms. Labour if they wished to help the poor could have down something more targeted with much much lower deadweight costs. Politicians are despicable people. “Party before people”is that how it is with Labour!

  15. NZ is not just anymore and too many people are getting away with appalling behaviour and ethics and the Labour government is spraying money around with no regard to how it is spent and controls on it.

    NZ justice! Pathetic $3000 fine for stealing from a Pacific Island Woman’s violence charity!!!

    “Sio was chief executive of the charity, which got $2.5 million yearly funding from mostly the Ministry of Social Development, the Ministry of Justice and the Department of Corrections.

    The pair stole about $260,000 with fake invoices from suppliers and authorising cash cheques to pay them. Sio and Uitime cashed most of these cheques for themselves.

    “Instead of using the funding given to the charity to make a difference to the lives of her community, Ms Sio abused her position of trust and responsibility to steal $44,000,” SFO director Karen Chang said.”

    Serious Fraud Office fines Betty Sio for stealing from Safety and Prevention Project charity
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fraud-office-fines-betty-sio-for-stealing-from-safety-and-prevention-project-charity/FBKBN7ZLWBD2VC3UBSXCDEHKBM/

    Tired of seeing the slap on the wrist from our justice system and how much money is being redistributed to fraudsters from the taxpayer while victims get nothing.

  16. Very good Trotter ,the ‘peanut butter conspiracy’ is…spreading…will it be exempt from…G.S.T?

    1. The peanuts and the butter will be Exempt from GST, however the salt and the preservatives will not be GST Exempt.

      1. You’re so onto it. The trouble is with f&v is that it is a nightmare to properly police. And what abart the workers? The suppliers to s/mts can already be manipulated down for price, so how do we know what no tax would like like on this load of pears and heads of broccoli?

        Acsh I think GST should come off all food even cooked in pluto. restaurants. If people can be got out eating then the country looks prosperous and gummint can tax the restaurants in the ordinary way. Tourism and eating out are a main business sector. Keep them at it, make room for the little guys and give business a fillip and not just a fillet to those who can afford them.

  17. The Removal of GST off Fresh Fruit & Vegetables has always been NZF _Policy since Adam was a Cowbqy !!!

  18. GST should be reduced to 9% and the simps in the beehive should have their income cut in half, and let the audits begin! how ridiculous and annoying and impossible these middle managers are in NZ, it is a wall thicker than the great wall in China.

  19. I propose a closed leisure economy where everyone outside, pays to play. A nature reserve – where we all go feral – a few AI pleasure chips behind the ears will do it. Wet World.

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