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  1. “The discussion document says New Zealander’s should trust National with the environment the way we trust them with the economy.”

    In other words: zero trust.

    On environmental issues, I’ve noticed how the Nats “talk the talk”, then “walk the other way”.

    Even if Labour and NZ First achieve only HALF their committments, that’s still 100% better than anything we might expect from National.

    That’s how far I trust the bastards.

    Well reported, Christine. Thank you for the effort you’ve put in to this story.

  2. “New Zealander’s should trust National with the environment the way we trust them with the economy.”

    That old myth of them being the better economic managers – way past its use by date, I guess they believe their own publicity.

    “currently privileged sectors like agriculture, need not be alarmed because nothing much will change.”

    And, the oil/gas industry and exploration.

  3. Never trust National on environmental policies, they had nine long years, and did stuff all, apart from suggesting some ‘voluntary’ actions by business and farmers.

    Even this government we have now is more talk than action, we have talk about the abolition of one way plastic bags, which was apparently now written into law, but supermarkets offer alternative bags for a few cents, simply called ‘reuse bags’.

    We still have massive plastic waste due to one way packaging of so many goods in plastics, nobody dares enforce anything there, as industry would revolt, and also would importers lobby against honest reduction of plastic packaging, as so much is imported as goods made and packaged overseas.

    Supermarkets may have abolished the traditional ‘one way’ bags, but they have at the same time also stopped collecting ‘soft plastics’ again, which they did for a year or so. Now soft plastics go back into landfill destined rubbish, as the local collection agencies, who wanted to recycle stuff, or send some of it to Australia, the rest to various Asian countries, they cannot operate anymore, because they don’t know where to put the stuff, piles of soft plastic bales being dumped in spots all over the country.

    True recycling of plastic is limited anyway, as so much is made from a variety of plastic types, which cannot easily be separated.

    So Christine is right, we have to stop creating much of the waste from the point of production and packaging of goods. Either use packaging made from organic matter, that can decompose or from stuff that can be recycled more easily, e.g. glass, paper, cardboard and whatever else may be possible.

    Major systemic change is needed, but NO government has the guts to take on industry, trade and to upset the consumerist voter. The latter may have intentions to do something, but when confronted with the challenges and costs and inconveniences doing so, they will rebel also.

    We have people who have become addicted to a buy and throw away lifestyle, and habits do not change easily and quickly. Few may want to have their veges and meats sold bare, without plastic around it, as they may get their hands dirty or feel it is unhygienic.

    It is a serious dilemma we have, and do not even get me started on the unresolved energy questions, all the electric car talk is just that, much nice talk and dreaming, Elon Musk is struggling to produce the cares he said he would make, even laying off staff now.

  4. Until the interest-based financial system is abandoned and the growth imperative abandoned, the environment will continue to be made worse. And as long as fossil fuels are burned the planet will continue to overheat.

    Abandoning the interest-based financial system and abandoning fossil fuels are not vote-catchers, so it’s essentially BAU with slight tweaking until BAU with slight tweaking is impossible.

  5. ‘In the oceans issue…. National reckons they’ll create three more marine reserves in their first term’

    Great! regions designated on maps that have been messed up by industrial humans and in the future will contain little life.

    The following article -another of ‘more than previously thought’ that we frequently see nowadays- highlights how ocean acidification will drastically alter the balance of life in the oceans. Although the article refers to cod, further acidification will seriously affect all marine organisms.

    ‘Ocean acidification harms cod larvae more than previously thought’

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/02/190219111723.htm?fbclid=IwAR09Qo-386jLyZBVcoYE87GACmayKv7qffxYpLRb0wKjE_HxtKgYTxt6Sv4

    And where are the politicians and bureaucrats on the matter of ocean acidification? Nowhere to be seen, as usual

    Also there is that ‘small’ matter of the rise in sea level -possibly multi-metre by mid-century- that no one wants to talk seriously about because talking seriously about it would affect coastal property values.

    1. Thanks Christine Rose for the article.

      National are ‘climate deniers’ – period so why trust them?

      You are right it’s just ‘green washing’ we all hear from ‘slippery Bridges’.

      The world doesn’t need him or national until they produce a true environmentalist that wants to lead the ‘rail hating truck loving’ National Party.

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