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  1. Chris Trotter,

    Yet another piece from you about Peters and Ardern.

    You do realize there is another Party in desperately need of attention instead of the usual free pass?

    1. Well I’m a Jacindafan too @Jacindafan. It doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with her on every step she takes and worship the ground she walks on.
      I also fully appreciate she’s got a hell of a lot of unpicking to to, and Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s also possible she’s had a lot of dead wood to drag along with her, as well as a few living in their comfy little bubbles that don’t fully appreciate how bad things are for a lot of people.
      As I posted earlier this morning elsewhere on this site:
      “It’s seriously becoming harder to know who to vote for!
      – Breadcrumbs for beneficiaries
      – No real commitment to fixing Public Service broadcasting (we apparently need a bloody PWC report ffs!)
      – Tinkering over immigration and worker exploitation – even to the extent that the simplest things aren’t being done in the interim
      – No commitment to fixing our public service which has gone seriously astray
      – corporate welfare over public welfare
      After a lifetime, as things stand I just can’t do Labour anymore until I see some signs of real transformation BEFORE the next election. But … what’s the alternative?”
      There is another alternative I ‘spose. Get a script for a medicinal cure-all – a generic even and put
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_-q9xeOgG4 on loop.
      And if I did that, I won’t be wondering by year’s end how it came to pass that Labour lost the election.

      1. Well I would prefer lefties be brutally honest and savage of there criticisms and assessments of the left rather than rat behaviour by swing voting National or ACT.

        1. I’ll abstain before I ever vote gNat or ACT – which right about now is a probability – along with a ticket to somewhere at the base of the Himalayas.
          (Just so long as I can watch from afar – which I have done in the recent past)
          Funny as fuck that I hear Winnie and Parker are now off on a grovelling jaunt, whilst all the while not doing anything substantive about the very people they’ve been ripping off – well apparently not until December 2020 – Like cheese – good things take time apparently)

  2. Chris – I’m interested in your views on *why* Ardern found herself in this position. Did she let it happen, or was she powerless to stop it?

    She is clearly one of those rare political beings like Key and Clark who can inspire a lot of faith from New Zealanders. She has a lot of talent in some areas, but seems to be at a loss here with Winston/NZF. Was she simply out-foxed, or is she acting in a mistaken sense of ‘good faith’?

  3. Sadly I think it is too late now. Nine months to the election and the die is cast. Labour have neither delivered or transformed. NZ First have delivered for their voters and blocked Labour from delivering. The Left are a shambles and the Right are without scruples or moral compass are learning from the despicable but successful tactics used overseas and are going to offer their voters a real ‘choice’. God I hope I’m wrong.

  4. Show me a party that’s Socialist, genuinely on the left (not neo liberal) and I’ll happily vote for them. That said in my eyes as an old school lefty and many others I might add, that particular breed of creature is extinct in NZ. There are still Socialist nations out there but we sold out back in the 80’s and since then things have gone from bad to worse. Doesn’t matter who is in aligned with who, its all the same.

      1. Iceland would be my top pick but there are others. That said are you really asking a question here?

  5. Chris,

    I commend your – perspicacity.

    I concur with your comment:
    “A deeply corrupt New Zealand, which endures only because New Zealanders have trained themselves not to recognise corruption – even when it’s staring them in the face.”

    As Plato said: We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

    AND
    Addendum: Pardon my partial plagiary of Roger Miller:
    “Politics swings like a pendulum do.”

    1. Then you’d probably concur with the idea that the only difference between corruption in the “3rd World” (pardon me, but how else to define it), is that corruption in the ‘lil ‘ole colony of NuZull that punches above its weight is covert rather than overt.
      I reckon overt corruption is slightly more honest.
      I’d even go as far as to say I wouldn’t mind flicking a lowly NZTA ‘official’ a tenner or a half doz beersies to process my application for resuming a passenger endorsement on a driver’s licence (in this space, going forward). Cheap at the price eh?
      I’d even pay more if I could find a way of stopping the pretense over it all. It’s becoming a bit tedious

      1. Depends what effective governance is. The US federal government does very questionable things in the name of the people of The United States with very little direct accountability, but if New Zealand wasn’t comically corrupt it would not have been able to become a Fveyes Nation.

        People in unions still tend to give an amazing amount of fucks over corruption so they tend to try and make the problem appear much, much worst than it actually is. Union founders created a system of greasing the palms that honestly works to some extent, the minority are capable of preventing the majority from acting too rashly instead of being steamrolled by simply lacking the 50%+1, there are regular debates on if buying another person dinner can count as corruption, etc.

        Off the top of my head New Zealand is much more corrupt than the United States are because states that are openly corrupt like the Philippines (sorry), Brazil, China, Russian! India, Italy… the list of states where corruption exists openly and it can be demonstrated that the corruption actually impedes the well-being of the people in whose name they act on a massive scale and yet remains able to act at about the same level or greater than the nation-state equivalent of a functional alcoholic goes on and on and on…

        And the scary thing is that in the world of governance, there are more functional alcoholics than there are sober people, and then there are plenty of governments that are not even functional.

        1. 🙂
          “And the scary thing is that in the world of governance, there are more functional alcoholics than there are sober people, and then there are plenty of governments that are not even functional.”

          Moons ago, I lost count of the number of times I was asked (invited with various temptations) to meet offsite in order for suppliers to gain ‘preferred supplier’ status.
          Then there was always the old ‘air points’ scam where one could always put air travel on a personal credit card and then claim it back as an expense, enabling accrued points for personal use. (Usually reserved for the elite of course, rather than the worker-bees).

          All a question of degree I guess, but what amuses me is seeing the elite (usually the generic managers et al) try and adopt the moral high ground as they feed at the trough whilst closely monitoring the supplies in the stationary cupboard.

  6. More info on what was declared, per year, being party donations.

    Let us reflect, have Labour always been that ‘independent’ from donors and their expectations? I think not.

  7. Ah, the good old New Zealand way of the quid pro quo. Yes Mr Convention Centre, would you like a cob of corn with that or “15,000 more slot machines?”

  8. This is supposedly a left wing blog site. The options on September 19th are to vote National or labour/greens. There has been progress in under the latter and we have on that side a leader who has shown outstanding leadership when the country needed it. Wages under this govt have grown, teachers and nurses have been given wage in creases they were happy to accept. More social housing has been built, their has been a cancer agency established with funding for some new cancer drugs approved (btw NZ from 2011 – 2017 had the lowest number of new drugs approved out of 20 Oecd countries). Schools and hospitals are being fixed and a new hospital in Dunedin finally underway, plus at least two new hospital units. Billons given to mental health a pilot set up for free lunch in schools. It seems the rates of children in poverty has been reduced, with more to come when the working for families kicks in. National sold off state houses, told us there wasn’t a housing crisis, kept wages low and were involved in many dirty political tricks such as documented in dirty politics, they lied about things like the dong Liu bottle of wine and donations and then there was the 11billon dollar fiscal hole.

    So the choice is very clear. Wake up people on the left. There is a narrative starting that National will win the election. Fight back. Because some change is far better than what National will do and there isn’t a genuine socialist party who can win.

    1. So true, what you’ve said, NZ has not had a one term government in almost 50 years, if that nasty NAZI National party clown Bridges gets in this year, there will be NO country in the entire world that would be able to understand WHY this has happened, I will go to my grave proudly having never ever voted National & I wouldn’t vote National even if someone held a loaded gun to my head, anyone with half a brain knows it takes longer than one term to sort out 9 long years of total fucking NEGLECT !!!!

  9. I sent off a good comment earlier in the day, but the censor dumped it, as it questioned the enthusiasm by TDB authors for Winston after election 2017.

    1. No censorship required in my case, Marc!

      I was one of those at TDB who bought the whole NZ First bill-of-goods.

      I really did think that Winston had heard the Hallelujah Song (i.e. the call for transformative, anti-capitalist change) and was willing to help Jacinda sing it.

      Silly me.

      1. We do all err at some stage in our lives. Just move ahead with your new insight and watch out for new traps along the way.

  10. I do think you’re right, Mr Trotter, about NZ being far, far, far more corrupt than it gives itself press for. Local councils, hospital boards, fake iwi, government departments, the list is endless really, and the few that challenge the status quo are publicly lynched, defamed, ridiculed and persecuted into oblivion. Only by standing together and demanding transparency and the end of child poverty will we survive.

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