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  1. Facebook have just gone against the principles of the government’s Christchurch Call and now allow hate speech on their platform: death threats and violence against Russian people is actually being encouraged. Facebook is now nothing better than a dark web forum pushing hate crime, racist tropes and extremism, the very thing Ardern campaigned personally about. It is time for the government to ban this social media company in New Zealand, they cannot seriously champion hate speech elimination and simultaneously endorse this.

  2. ‘Hate speech’, as Brits have noted, is too ill-defined a concept to be embodied in law. They need to flag it away – or they’ll be flagged away.

  3. Is Jacinda really that stupid? I mean she certainly is woefully out of touch lately but she’s such a politician that she has never struck me as having a bottom line, much less one that is political suicide!

    There are far far bigger things to worry about at this present time, silly things like a red hot housing crisis, running out of motels to dump the body’s from it and fuel and food prices going through the roof.

    Not to mention Labour’s sagging poll results. They are hardly endearing themselves to voters lately and another major intrusion into people’s lives, again, with a law like this won’t be tolerated!

    Few care about this, time has moved on!

    1. X-ray The hate-speech dynamic looks like a knee-jerk response to the Christchurch Muslim murders, and perhaps understandable back in that context. That has passed. Security services, spies, the police, have been beefed up since then, and picking on one small piece of the picture, speech, is hopeless.

      Chances are politicians think that we are as thick as they are and believe that this ludicrous law will stop bad things from happening. It is much easier for them to pass third-rate legislation than to do the practical stuff like building houses and feeding the children of the poor. It will alienate everyone who sees it as government trying to silence its critics, or shut up persons who “ think outside the box”, as we were all being urged to do not so very long ago. The manner in which it is talked about is profoundly irritating.

  4. Just to be on the safe side, those who think differently from others, could be called “ rivers of hate. “ That should sort it. Its an awkward sort of metaphor, and it’s ugly, and it mightn’t be true, but everything’s about feelings nowadays, not truths. Marama Davidson’s hurt feelings predicated a vocabulary requirement for referencing cisgender females’ anatomy, but it failed to clarify the implications of the “c” word being applied to other genders. This needs to get sorted too, for reasons best not embarked upon.

    Tones of voice and facial expressions also need to be factored in. There’s a difference between saying, “Rivers of hate,” with a smile on one’s face – and ditto the “c” word – or bellowing it out like John Key in Parliament or a clergyman saving souls – aka collecting tithes- or somebody merely exasperated with bus drivers. Certain flowers’ names have long been used to express denigration and hatred of men, and these need to be listed.

    The “ rivers of hate” description could flow into trouble with its similarity to “ The Rivers of Babylon”, a rather lovely classic spiritual song which, out of respect for others’ feelings, shouldn’t have been appropriated in the way it was, which could have been more hurtful and offensive rathe than hateful, so differentiating between degrees of emotion needs to be factored into any legislation when hurt can trigger negative outcomes, social unrest, and personal injury to oneself or others.

    What if the hate speech persons sing their messages instead ? I’d be starting off by legislating against all the hateful and insidious pop songs rather than speeches with dubious impact, and unfortunately there are also some operas which ma have to be banned, but I daresay that this will also come if government is hell bent on meddling in and monitoring every aspect of its victims’ lives.

    1. Apologies, error again. “ Rivers of hate “ should read, “rivers of filth” as per MP Wood’s example of acceptable comment.

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