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  1. Quick Joris. Write her out of you will while you’ve still got time. And get another one of those Stuff deeply investigative jonolists to follow Her every move. Just to make sure she hasn’t got some sort of hidden agenda We (the public) should all know about. Don’t be fooled. There are conspiracists and egotistical wankers now behind every corner looking to promote themselves even if it means trading on your name. One false move and you could be completely munted

  2. I think we need to rethink the idea that wokeness is leftwing. I always thought the left was supposed to be champions of the working class but lately I see woke arguments being used as an excuse for the middle class to beat up on working class blokes. I worry that wokeness might now be a disguise for class prejudice.

    I saw this coming 20 years ago when I was involved with a couple of activist campaigns, it was clear even then that “educated” liberal activists had a real disdain for working class people and now it’s morphed into all out war on anyone who’s deemed inferior because they can’t get their pronouns right.

    It’s sad because the battles my generation fought to dismantle prejudice have been twisted into a new type of judgementalism – they totally remind me of the morality campaigners of the 20th century, using righteousness as a cover for spitting judgement and hate.

    A lot of working class people have worked out that the old leftist institutions don’t serve them anymore but I’m still waiting for them to work out that running into the arms of the right wasn’t the answer.

    1. The right doesnt care about the working class but the left, who have become the woke, actually hate them and actively attack everything they stand for.
      The bureaucrats are in charge of the asylum.
      Who do you want workers to vote for?

  3. Stuff wisely closed off readers’ comments to Julia de Bres’s column after a single irrelevant comment on the difference between ‘literally’ and ‘figuratively’.
    De Bres herself undermines her academic pretensions by appropriating the word ‘progressive’ for ‘the Left’ (undoubtedly of the ‘woke’ rather than proletarian variety), implicitly denying the possibility that non-woke people might think themselves progressive too.
    ‘Whereas those on the Left originally used “woke” to describe their progressive ideals, they can scarcely use it any more as it has attracted such negative connotations.’

  4. Also the reason why The Standard has gone downhill. It used to be a great blogsite to witness the free exchange of ideas between commentators. It used to be a site where you could reasonably sift through the more outlandish comments which would be rebutted by the more rational commentators.

    But ever since “weka” took control, every comment now requires a “link or youre banned” TS has certainly gone downhill. Weka exemplifies the worst of the woke excesses, in my opinion. If I were to make that comment over there, I’d be required to furnish links and engage in a mindless circle of doom with “weka” nitpicking their way to endless obfuscation. It’s a terrible place these days.

    It’s why I enjoy reading TDB comments. A free exchange of ideas which is no longer allowed on TS unless verified and reputable (in the minds of the moderators) sources are used .

    Keep it up TDB.

    1. I looked at The Standard not long after reading the Daily Blog which was many years ago & they were downhill even then so I never went back. I guess they would have had the occasional good article over that time but I have not missed them.

  5. Woke is very simply, ideologies that see society as a series of identity based oppressor/oppressed groups (race, sex, gender, sexuality etc) with the associated value judgements of privileged/victim (sinful/sanctified) irrespective of personal history. It lacks a solid socio-economic analysis that isn’t downstream of identity.

    This simplistic religious worldview combined with imperative to fight injustice gives rise to a kind of anti-politics where advancing anyone who isn’t white, male, cis, straight, right-handed feels highly progressive but does nothing to challenge underlying neoliberal power. This makes it incredibly easy to game the system giving rise to virtue theatre, while adding to cultural polarisation between people who have more in common with each other than not.

    Woke is a cuckoo in the progressive nest, sadly the building backlash may throw the baby out with the bath water, the baby and rubber duck, making genuinely progressive politics unpalatable for a generation.

    1. I am curious about what you think is a simplistic religious worldview? While there are different religions there are also differences within the religions & even the favorite end-time book for Christianity tells us that the last choice will be between forced worship & true worship with both sides thinking they are correct (deception at work) so while they all claim some sort of a God there is nothing simple about the multitude of different beliefs following from that.

      1. @Bonnie
        “while they all claim some sort of a God there is nothing simple about the multitude of different beliefs following from that.”
        I agree, I am saying that Woke ideology is a simplistic religious world view NOT that all religions are simplistic.

        At the risk of massive simplification myself, successful Abrahamic religions/sects tend to balance an emphasis on the upward facing (god, grace, love, forgiveness etc) with the downward facing (devil, sin, punishment etc) and package some wisdom or guidance, in personal life, family life and the wider society within their own context. In short enduring religions need to confer some advantage or personal and collective resilience in order to survive the collision between ideology and reality. They also save utopia for the next life.

        “I am curious about what you think is a simplistic religious worldview?”
        There are multiple characteristics including the emphasis on ONLY an upward or downward aspect (Woke emphasis is sin and punishment). A black and white value judgement of people or groups such as a faith based assumption that the degree of privilege (sin) or victimhood (sanctity) can be determined by intersectional group identity. Fragility in the collision between ideology and reality, such as the elevation of victimhood as the key quality that confers social status and clout (as opposed to say dignity or competence) which seems tuned to promote mental illness, charlatanism and social division.

  6. This seems to be all about women getting on and pushing men aside. Pretty light stuff but Ron Burgundy v Veronica Corningstone. For those who need a laugh and have a good supply of popcorn and some beers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tKJoidT_o
    Anchorman The Legend of Ron Burgundy (2004) Theatrical Trailer

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