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  1. Chloe expounds a sensible idea backed up by experts in finance and taxation.
    Now we wait for the snappy one liners from Bob the First, im right, Trumpet and various others that say this is a really bad idea because ……………..well they do not really know why but Chloe is a woman, young, intelligent and a danger to their misogyny.
    Trumpet – I expect you to aspire to even greater levels of obscenity. Remember you have a reputation to maintain.
    We have taxed wealth in the past and everyone survived. Some people still had enough pocket money for crayfish breakfasts and holiday homes.

  2. How many of the mega wealthy would stay in NZ to be wealth taxed?

    I am assuming you mean the 3,000 families who are the most wealthy, basically 0.1% of the population, who would have a minimum net worth of $30 million. However, the most wealthy of this group will have multiple places where they can live, and the bulk of their wealth is portable or is not located here anyway. A serious wealth tax will have them leaving. That is not just a loss of wealth to NZ, it is also a loss of innovative talent.

    It is far more sensible for the NZ tax system to be broadly within the OECD mainstream. So that would mean a Capital Gains Tax, not a wealth tax.

    1. Capital flight? Bring it on I say because Wayne’s “innovators” by and large don’t want to share anyway-and decades of proof are there for all to see.

    2. They wont leave because as MAX RUSHBROOKE points out in his paper they will pay more tax where ever they go because currently they pay the lowest rate in the OECD.

    3. There’s no reason that they should be allowed to transfer their capital overseas. That’s optional.

  3. Max Rushbrook has a very good paper out on how the tax system is used by the wealthy to pay tax at a lower rate than the average wage earner on a huge income .

    1. Wealth taxes don’t work.
      If the wealthy are legally paying a lower rate of tax than the average wage earner why don’t we change the law to increase the tax rate.

  4. Tax the mega wealthy? Force them to contribute to the public good in a more equitable way. I’d support that. Who wouldn’t- except the mega wealthy themselves who’d surely feel aggrieved. And all the enablers. And a good percentage of the PMC who feel threatened.

    And arguably aggrieved with good reason. The mega wealthy- and those who come close – are working within the law (presumably) with the help of lawyers and accountants who are only too pleased to offer their services for a very lucrative fee. A moral obligation to pay their ‘fair share’ of tax from the profit they accrue is simply not relevant in the eyes of the law.

    Change the laws through legislation? Easier said than done. ‘One size fits all’ is the go to in NZ but that doesn’t work. But if it’s the case some other countries have a more equitable tax system, surely NZ can make a move in this direction. Under MMP I cant see that happening any time soon.

  5. Every tax seems unfair to somebody so what we need is a lot of smallish unfair taxes that catch a little of everything. Add to the list above a Georgist land tax on land with a zero rate for only land whole owned by NZers. Include a small sales tax on the sales of shares to reduce speculation.

  6. As soon as you tie your economic policies to taxation you lose. Taxation does not fund government spending, it is an inflation tool used to withdraw excess money from the economy. Exactly the same as government bonds.
    There are additional tools that could be used to lift the burden of inflation fighting from taxation alone – compulsory savings is one. Using government deficit spending to improve productivity is another, importing deflationary Chinese products is another.
    We do not have to raise taxes to fund the basic welfare state services that we choose. If we have people and resources available to do things, if we have young people who want decent jobs – we can do all of it without worrying about radical taxation changes.
    “If we can do it, we can afford” John Maynard Keynes.
    People forget – we didn’t raise taxes to get out of the Great Depression, we didn’t raise taxes to fund WW2, we didn’t raise taxes to get out of the GFC and we didn’t raise taxes to pay for COVID.
    The taxation issue is used as a roadblock to progressive economic policy and the Green Party is carefully construction that road block themselves block by block – probably to ensure they never have to implement any actual policy.

    1. You don’t have to raise taxes, per se, as much as we need to reorient whom is paying the bulk of the taxes. Once upon a time it was the wealthy who paid the bulk of the taxes, now it is us. Somehow, we need to reverse back the trend, or get back to pre-neoliberal times where the system benefited the many rather than the few.

      Or in other words, Chloe and co are pissing in the wind because this is a ‘global issue’ . Neoliberalism has not being touched by any politician since its inception in the early 1980’s and its off shoot – a rigged tax base that benefits the wealthy at the expense of everyone else – this is off limits to our politicians also. Only the US or UK can change this system and as we can see, they are as bent as Benny Netsinyahoo, so this is all a big, fat waste of time.

    2. top tax rate was 60% in those times according to Paul Goldsmith in papers he wrote when working in the treasury.And the lower 30% did not pay tax .Later the rich pricks got that flipped so the low earners paid more tax and they paid less .Since then that trend has continued .

  7. If taxing billionaires 12.8% pa means they are standing still, then we need to be taxing them say 20% until their wealth falls to a level they cannot consume such an enormous percentage of the world’s resources.
    They need to learn to live within their means, as measured on a sustainability basis and not just what their wealth can consume and destroy.
    We need to be human and save them from themselves.
    The only other alternative is to shoot them.

  8. No tax on the first $30,000. How the hell anyone lives on that sort of dosh is beyond me, perhaps they never ever have an icecream! Australia is $18,200.

  9. A wealth tax is just government sanctioned theft. There is no logical or reasonable argument to support it.

    1. Agreed but we do want them to pay their “fair” share Sleepy H and it’s clear they don’t, given the Panama Papers and off shore accounts.

    2. It will prevent the spread of highly contagious diseases, especially for those peasants on the right who are susceptible to Boot Licker Syndrome, Lord Baron Imposter Virus and The Peasant Alliance for Feudal Overlord Condition.

    1. Interesting read the Laffer Curve given it’s just theory.

  10. There’s plenty of money in western nations to provide its citizens free healthcare, education, adequate public housing, infrastructure and social welfare.

    The obstacle to those goals is simply that the wealth and money is hoarded by the super-rich and at an ever-increasing rate.

    1. This is deliberate. Bidding up prices amongst themselves to leave the peons on the outside. Once you have a monopoly and own everything, you get to set the level of sadism.

  11. They wont leave because as MAX RUSHBROOKE points out in his paper they will pay more tax where ever they go because currently they pay the lowest rate in the OECD.

  12. I’m afraid the notion that wealthy individuals do not pay much tax is somewhat misleading. Most wealthy people have a company. After business deductions, they pay around 28% tax. The owner, will pay tax on personal drawings. Regardless, it will be minor compared to what the company pays, especially if it is making a good profit. Money is like water, it will take the easiest path. Excessive tax is resistance, and it will find an alternative route. Like offshore, or any path where a reduced tax rate can be sought. The tax rate to offer incentive for business, as well as revenue for government, is between 20-28%. Increase above, short term gain, long term stagnation. Set the rate to low, and there just is not enough tax revenue to sustain government. Take Elon Musk. Regardless of his politics, he as an individual is investing in cutting edge technology, investing billions in space exploration, and creating thousands of jobs. Imagine taxing him hard, and the opportunities that may not eventuate because of a disincentive to invest when the tax rates are so high. Or he goes elsewhere, to a country more favourable to his tax expectations. Every country needs its millionaires. They take risk, they are driven, and they create wealth and jobs. Exactly what a country needs. So instead of taxing the wealthy, maybe introduce incentives and education to create more opportunities to create wealth and gain more millionaires. Because more millionaires equals more jobs, wealth and prosperity. But then again, I have heard people offer similar opinions too tax the so called rich, and I have at times come to the conclusion that jealous envoy stimulates their thoughts. But not all.

    1. So simplistic in your opinion. You make it all sound so easy to become millionaires. If it was that simple we would be. Jealousy of the wealthy to remain wealthy. Now there’s a topic to discuss.

  13. Two million bucks to get into the top 3%? Man, this is an easy country to be rich in!

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