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  1. This sounds like a paean for the status quo, a status quo which isn’t working for dairy workers, owners of shops, South Auckland church goers, kids waiting at bus interchanges in Christchurch and Lower Hutt, etc. All for retaining high standards of procedural justice, human rights; but the showing mercy to these ferals, is the bit that needs tweaking, imho.

    1. Church people should understand mercy because that is God’s way to save us. While love is not guaranteed to work showing anger towards those who offend is only going to perpetuate the anti-social actions & even make it worse. This does not mean that there should not be punishment (which varies with the offense & the probability of rehabilitation) but we don’t want those doing the punishing to become worse than the offenders.

  2. Sadly all this violence is killing the good in us.
    We exist amongst fear daily. It’s not a normal condition to be in.
    I don’t know what the answer is to lessen down this problem we have in our society.
    People seem to have stopped caring about each other.
    Very sad indeed.

  3. I doubt that they will feel NZ justice as the judges are on the side of the criminals. As many discounts as possible to leave the victims victimised again by the system.

  4. Their model is the Detroit Model: asset strip and send all the jobs to foreign sweatshops, enjoy the new growth industries of slumlording, sub-prime loans and private prisons — and then ‘solve crime’ by getting into the business of police department sales of surplus military hardware.

    The press barons and broadcasting moguls are continuing to cover up what is going on.

    That great tradition of labour movement newspapers, radio and television needs to be revived. Look at all the provinces that no longer have a local TV station or talk radio station. The community should ‘take over’ some of these defunct ones.

  5. Surely the question as to why these ‘feral’ people are among us must be asked.
    What went wrong with the upbringing of these people when children?
    Can we fix this it never happens for todays young?

  6. What do you base that Frank? Your gut feel of actual stats? I would say there has been a number of stories to indicate that crime is an issue in Aus as well.

    The 501s coming here make it clear they cut their teeth in a pretty violent societal setting

  7. It concerns me how violence has been escalating for years but only fringe lobby groups like dairy owners get any attention and have Jacinda coming to the funeral. Youth are blamed.

    NZ has become a society that allows the majority of arseholes and bullies and socially unaccountable to encourage to live and victimise others here, while our legal system seems to support the criminals rather than the victims.

    Now we are encouraging the worst character people to come to NZ and work here because of our obsession with user pays education and lack of integrity in our tertiary system, now full of frauds and money related education that is feeding through into bad hires and professionals who are not professional.

    It’s no longer the unemployed and working class victimising others, now we have the professionals at it too! Everything is ok in NZ, while other countries are quick to take action against bad behaviour to protect society and professional behaviour in NZ, anything goes.

    Ex-fetish ball doctor Naylin Appanna suspended after STI test on woman during date
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ex-fetish-ball-doctor-naylin-appanna-suspended-after-sti-test-on-woman-during-date/RY6FK3ICMBEI3NPCKUODQDDXAU/

    Eye surgeon surrendered his practising certificate after attempting to murder landlord
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/eye-surgeon-surrended-his-practising-certificate-after-attempting-to-murder-landlord/AJGWBCCPCNAGXKAUJHOQFZW7KQ/

    Doctor murder trial: ‘Some minutes’ for stabbed teenager to die, court told
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/dunedin/doctor-murder-trial-some-minutes-for-stabbed-teenager-to-die-court-told/

    Convicted and censured: Doctor assaults wife, threatens to shoot police
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/convicted-and-censured-doctor-assaults-wife-threatens-to-shoot-police/FIG75UBRUTS44ZWPBWN6DEEESA/

    Auckland surgeon accused of killing wife named
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/auckland-surgeon-accused-killing-wife-named

    West Auckland lawyer guilty of ‘flagrant and gross’ misconduct
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/west-auckland-lawyer-guilty-of-flagrant-and-gross-misconduct/VUWLATG2ARD7SP6XU54ILYUQ4Q/

    Lawyer allegedly borrowed up to $150,000 from man’s bank account while he was behind bars
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lawyer-allegedly-borrowed-up-to-150000-from-mans-bank-account-while-he-was-behind-bars/2NNFD674KBETXCBRXRSKK2USWY/

    Senior defence lawyer’s actions referred to Law Society in Taranaki meth dealing case
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/senior-defence-lawyers-actions-referred-to-law-society-in-taranaki-meth-dealing-case/SQO3H3F276MDWUYRM7J4CGNNKM/

    Accountant jailed for ‘huge’ insider fraud
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/accountant-jailed-for-huge-insider-fraud/55FBRQOHXCLLEQTCQKNIWNOMV4/

    Suspended accountant owes IRD more than $565,000
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/130697448/suspended-accountant-owes-ird-more-than-565000

    Accountant jailed for stealing $2m from boutique fashion company Bettie Monroe
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/accountant-jailed-for-stealing-2m-from-boutique-fashion-company-bettie-monroe/RQA2EESG6I4BSOJA55I5PFZAGU/

    It seems that living in state housing while partying and being unemployed while abusing neighbours and burning down part of your house is ok too!

    Unruly neighbours move after ‘nightmarish’ year, Kāinga Ora admits mistakes
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/unruly-neighbours-move-after-nightmarish-year-kainga-ora-admits-mistakes/BV3Q5OUQINCPNIB5DNOIMQEQWU/

    NZ now has very poor behaviour in every aspect of society and seems to be enabling the people to continue to offend – not just the uneducated, being a murdering/fraudster as a professional in NZ, is ok too!

    Part of it, is the terrible NZ management class that runs everything here with a bean counter and nepotism, that has disempowered real expertise who leave, while being sucked into identity based thinking rather than excellent results and good behaviour and character as being of upmost importance in the workforce and education.

    I hear that Waka Kohati has now hired hundreds more communication staff for example…. no wonder the roads don’t work anymore – bizarre emphasis in NZ on woke marketing than getting the job done, quickly and by experts who know what they are doing!

    Society is crumbling in NZ, it’s not just people going around stealing and being violent that is growing here – large amount of professionals are doing what ever they feel like, too.

    1. For how long has society here been crumbling? I wonder if some of the outrage is from those hit by the realisation that they fucked up, they created the monster which if it doesn’t smack them directly on the head, hits them by having them captured in outrage mode.

  8. My sense is the community are not feeling safe, not helped by the repeated ram raids and the impunity shown by the criminals involved or the judiciary’s current liking for light sentences like the teenage serial rapist who got Home D. Even the police pursuit policy, well meant, has only empowered these creeps, seeing only weakness and made things more violent.

    The only fear of vigilanteism will be because of these reasons, when people think the systems in place for law and order are not working and take on criminals themselves with all the bad outcomes that risks.

    I suspect the pendulum has swung too far with liberal attitudes to criminals and I also fear the overcorrection will be similarly marked when we change government next year. That’s why Labour have got to step it up now with a bit less social work and a bit more accountability for crime! Rather than Chippys empty window dressing.

  9. Judge Cheryl will protect them if they go before the courts, these ferals become the victims in her warped topsy turvy world.

  10. Did you miss the events in Queensland? Crime is going down, it is just that the media make a bigger thing of it now over here.

    1. Frankie, please stay you have a very strong Aussie attitude, the place suits you.

      Regards

      Bertie.

      1. Carl Sagan said, ”
        “But I try not to think with my gut. If I’m serious about understanding the world, thinking with anything besides my brain, as tempting as that might be, is likely to get me into trouble.” Frank- take note.

  11. Not a lot of emperical evidence to support your thesis unfortunately Frank. If punishment was the solution to crime, America would be a crime free paradise and we all know it is not. But I agree, the genie is out of the bottle and probably not going back in. The rising number of young people who see joining a gang as some form of social aspiration is equally as staggering as it is depressing. The ones I have heard being interviewed can barely string a sentence together and I guess many of them are struggling with foetal alcohol syndrome or the effects of exposure to meth through their pregnant mothers. I had a bit to do with an organisation helping at risk youth some time back and the level of abuse and straight out violence in a lot of these kids lives was next level frightening. It’s clearly going to take more than the criminal justice system to turn this around.

  12. Hang in there everyone! “This too shall pass”… we’re on a sharp collective learning curve with front row seats as well as parts to play on the global stage. Check your egos at the door, step on in, welcome! Make it count 🙂

  13. Treat the criminal like the victim, empty the prisons and legitimize and multiply the gangs and be surprised violent crime gets worse.
    Is the government that stupid?
    Yes, yes they really are.
    How about the POS gang member who shot somebody in both hands just getting his sentence reduced.
    Feel safer?
    Hard sentences have to be part of the solution, for those who show no willingness to change, to keep the real nasty shitbags off the street but a policeman friend of mine tells me the biggest deterrent to criminals offending is fear/risk of being caught, not the sentence necessarily as the calculation in the crims head is not very forward thinking.

    So the immediate solution must begin with more and better actual policing, walking the beat, being seen, turning up when called, less fluffy hand holding and sitting on passing lanes bravely enforcing lowered speed limits with a 1 km/hr tolerance.

  14. The genie is most definitely out of the bottle for the reasons you’ve stated. Tru dat Frank!

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