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  1. Good sruff that resonates Chris T. And Anderton I noted did not have a fellow feeling with ‘the workers’. When he came to Nelson and I managed to say hello he didn’t have anything much to say to me. I imagine from what I have seen of King Charles that he would be more interested in talking directly to those citizens he was presented with. And I talked to a Union executive in Oz in 1970s, from the Electrical Union, and asked how jobs were and whether his son would become an electrician and he replied No – he was going into management. Now that was not giving honour to a very important basically needed trade.

    I feel that we tend to become status-seekers wrongly, lacking appreciation of the real in favour of the pretentious. Barrie’s ‘The Admirable Crichton’ will have a re-run soon.
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Admirable_Crichton)

  2. Read with intense interest. Of the many things that deserve a comment the claim that democracy is merely a political system for securing “the orderly circulation of elites” really rang true. Little wonder the disengaged thumb their noses at the sham while those with a modicum of civic engagement increasingly feel (to quote) ‘the best the voter can hope for is to choose the least evil collection of elitists’. I suspect here in NZ there are few in NZ who have experienced real evil of oppressive dictatorships, although many of the UN refugees who arrive on these shore might qualify. To them NZ must seem benign place, an imperfect democracy in comparison. Sometimes I feel fortunate to be born here in these distant, bicultural Polynesian islands, albeit with a troubled colonial history; yet at other times such as now, made aware of the limitations of democracy, part of me mourns the possibility of securing social justice and social progress from below. Yes, it needs a transformative vision, it takes mobilization and requires sacrifice. Social democrats of any hue mostly mean well (comparatively speaking) but in many respects are paralyzed by their success.

  3. There wouldn’t be a single M.P. who would endorse the old Clause IV ‘ultimate object’ of securing for workers “the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution”. The Labour Party socialists of 1918: more progressive than the ‘woke’ liberal pretenders of 2023!

    Exactly how the Labour Party intended to achieve this — and supposedly “on the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control” — still seems unclear. After some early victories, the working class lawmakers and union leaders were apparently not ideologically equipped for what lay ahead: seemingly afflicted with that old bureaucratic disease that one K. Marx dubbed ‘parliamentary cretinism’.

  4. Maybe you could look back almost 2000 years for an example of unity that changed the world “Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.”
    History tells us that it didn’t last either although it would suggest that a bit more than human power is needed to transform people so they can cooperate for the greater good.

    1. Let’s find a system with some holes in it it doesn’t have to be perfect with everyone giving up everything. Then no-one would be happy.

  5. “I say throw all those hooligans out”

    Steppenwolf: Justice don’t be slow (1974 – still got the vinyl)

  6. Another excellent article from Chris and perfectly summarises how the Labour Party no longer represents what it used to and in fact is now nothing more than a vanguard of some misguided and divisive ‘Neo ‘Cultural Revolution’.
    The counter-revolution can’t come fast enough.

  7. The question remains Chris…as a long time pundit with cachet among many politics followers…who are you recommending we vote for then? This column almost hints at some sort of abstain position…Greens and NZ Labour have displayed many flaws for decades…but…cough…ACT?

    You even manage to dismiss your old mate Jim. Mr Anderton was a problem for many lefties because he was anti communist, but definitely old school social democrat imo.

    Voting in bourgeois Parliamentary elections is always fraught, because so many forces are in action to maintain status quo–which in AO/NZ just happens to be 39 years of a neo liberal state and monetarism.

    That is why, ultimately new gens and boomers alike have to rediscover collectivism, community and working class organisation. Politics is a lot more than elections as we know by anti apartheid struggles, Māori renaissance, Gay Rights, Nuke Free NZ–built house by house, street by street, Council by Council, march and vigil etc…

    Groundswell has a toxic agenda but they are using the tactics the left should. And to cheer you up there is a general apology to be made on behalf of all the old commos from the 70s and 80s that regularly spent more time in sectarian shadow boxing than fighting the class enemy.

  8. I remember that select committee video. I remember the submitters from Speak Up For Women literally begging Russell and Kerekere to actually address the content of the submission. Of course they did not.

    Neither of these women seemed to understand what select committees are for. They just viewed it as an opportunity to have a crack at people who they thought were evil. And they were proud of it, Kerekere insulted and demeaned the submitters, and then proudly posted the video of her insulting and demeaning behaviour on her Facebook page.

    That said, there are still people in the Greens who get what Trotter is saying.

  9. BwaV I would contend that it is more about class than culture though others choose to think differently. Each class though in the same country has different cultures. I am partly of NZ Maori and apparently Hawaiian ancestry and have had a working class-lower middle class upbringing and on the personal level it is generally people with the same class background that I share values with rather than people of different class backgrounds despite broad cultural, national or ethnic links.

    1. You raise an interesting point Trev. Books and books have been written on what constitutes a class society. I believe things have changed over the past few hundred years but Orwell’s claim that some animals are more equal than others suggests to me that in part we are born unequal. Certainly it was for Orwell. And its the impression I got when in the UK and Europe back in the day. It really did seem to me working class people were behind the eight ball, made worse by Thatcher’s govt. Middle class folk looked in both directions, one with disdain the other with envy. But then polytechnics were turned into new universities and wider participation encouraged. Blair’ catch cry of “education education, education” was echoed here in NZ.

      The dream is of course we can all transcend the intergenerational class structures we are born into. NZ a classless society? Back in the day I thought so. I thought everyone was more or less middle class with equal opportunity. Youthful naivity. Despite the fact that some mates were the sons of lawyers and doctors while many on the footy field came from parts of town I’d never ride my bike in. Of course social equality was never the case. I grew up near Moerewa. I was pakeha. I knew this. But at least everyone had a job back then and more importantly made a living wage.

      I was reminded of this by CW’s observation that even today road workers, cleaners and those working in the freight moving business are mostly brown. Minimum wage jobs for the most part – although I suspect plant operators and the like do ok. So on that basis here in NZ it would seem ‘culture’ (or is that ethnicity?) plays a part. I wouldn’t say deterministic. Education and good decisions also play a role. And let’s face it, modern and ancient societies alike have stratified roles.

      And hey, it’s pretty fuckin’ complex and I’m no expert.

  10. Agree with ya Queeny on Trotter and Josie Pagani is just as bad. Her comments after the last debate were as weak as piss, she didn’t want to say Hipkins won that one in fact it took Julian Wilcox to do that. And he was rolling his eyes he knows how bias and two faced our mainstream journalist and media are in NZ. It took him to mention the racism he saw when out doing his mahi with Māori candidates being racially heckled. The Māori women in Gisborne at Winstones talk was right where were the Māori in the room. The room was fill of rednecks who had a bloody cheek to call her racist.

  11. Agree with ya Queeny on Trotter and Josie Pagani is just as bad. Her comments after the last debate were as weak as piss, she didn’t want to say Hipkins won that one in fact it took Julian Wilcox to do that. And he was rolling his eyes he knows how bias and two faced our mainstream journalist and media are in NZ. It took him to mention the racism he saw when out doing his mahi with Māori candidates being racially heckled. The Māori women in Gisborne at Winstones talk was right where were the Māori in the room. The room was fill of rednecks who had a bloody cheek to call her racist.

    1. True that. Labour middle of the roader Willow Jean Prime was hardly able to make her self heard at a Kerikeri debate recently due to several hundred half pissed rednecks (technically a number were actually middle class and petit bourgeois tradies and horticulturists) barracking and abusing her anytime she used a Māori phrase or word.

      A TPM sign in Taranaki was crunched by ute at night, after it had to drive through a farm fence to get to it! The political climate has well and truly changed.

  12. I fail to understand why and how you can make mostly astute observations and yet, in most instances when Labour has mooted something transformational you get spooked and call for caution or for abandonment of the attempt.

  13. Yes, Stephen I have read CTs articles Māori bashing the so called left have racist too.
    We have to remember this country was founded on racist laws and policy. I try not to read his stuff it annoys me, and he thinks he knows everything about Māori, but he would have learnt it all from the book.

  14. Before the Labour movement got into power there were a conservative and liberal party representing the two arms of elite opinion (in the UK they were literally called the Conservative and Liberal parties). What has happened in most countries is that the Labour parties have been slowly worn down until they are basically modern liberal parties. The Conservative parties are still a little confused about this hence their erratic behaviour but we’re basically back where we were pre-1935.

    Not to worry though, if we could invent universal welfare out of nowhere we can certainly re-invent it.

    And to right wingers I would warn; take it easy, the further you push the worse the pushback will be. Most of our children will never be able to afford a house and they are going to look at things like Communism and think it’s worth trying again.

    1. Universal welfare for people who work for wages or just to help the family and collective – can be done. Same as creating money like an upside down pyramid that goes against the laws of gravity – can and is being done. But money can be based on an idea and a promise, work is based on completed tasks; understanding the difference, can that be done?

  15. “there is no longer a credible left-wing party. Not when “a credible left-wing party” is defined as: a class-oriented, mass-based, democratically-structured political organisation; dedicated to promoting ideas sharply critical of laissez-faire capitalism; and committed to advancing democratic, egalitarian and emancipatory ideals across the whole of society.”

    I’m voting maori party for the first time this year because of their wealth tax, which is very strong, and if implemented would likely reverse the inequality produced by neoliberalism. Of course, it’s not going to happen, but as far as I can tell no other party has even close to this aggressive of a tax policy.

  16. @ ada” Rogernomics is the lefts stab in the back myth that set them as victims ,not villains. ” The myth that left us in our seventies steering pregnant children (all maori and p.i. ) away from the crack pipe and raising our grandchildren . Forty years is a blink in time Ada. We watched the decline in our towns and villages the work and jobs dried up there was a collapse in our spiritual health . Following years so many tangi ; young men blowing their brains out ,our suicide rate is a barometer of our social health and we’re top of the charts worldwide.
    Prebble made some comment about MOW, NZFS ,P&T ,NZED ,Railways being tired old mens homes ,but we were in the frost pouring concrete for the Waikato dams and bridges and Proud when the ribbon cutting happened . They’re all still producing kw for your e.v.s in Grey Lynn . Used to be huge sports days for the mill towns ,now it’s Harleys, pit bulls and meth; gangs preying on their own . Maybe Richard and Roger should have factored in downstream carnage in their spreadsheet . Reading and libraries were a hit of socialism for a lot of us with heaps of time on our hands . Long thought out budgets for teeth and tyres and all the while raising grandchildren
    On another tack they do random drug testing so it culls a lot of fit young men ( also why some go for P cos it eliminates from system quick ) so they down road . Wonder if they do that at parliament Chloe and marama look like they partake of some puff .We gather around the fire and wish everybody had a job

  17. Chris… your article is on point

    If you follow USA politics it would appear as if the NZ Labour Party in particular follows the same policy approaches as the Democrates… Identity politics, support for proxy war in Ukraine etc. The traditional NZ left is sunk… not to sure if there are any Safe havens left. Maybe that’s been the strategy all along… to destroy the left (uk is a great example, no real choice, just muppets)

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