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  1. Martyn, your views on assisted dying/euthanasia might be able to be taken seriously if the practice wasn’t well established in countries such as the US (Oregon has had assisted dying laws since 1997) and Switzerland. Canada has recently joined those who permit assisted dying, as has Victoria in Australia. Parliamentary inquiries by the Canadian Supreme Court, Victoria, and in the past year in WA in a cross-party forum have shown fears such as yours to be groundless. Much of the current debate by opponents in NZ is run as if there is no body of international evidence to refer to. Under David Seymour’s bill, a person can only ask for and receive aid in dying if they request it and if they are of sound mind. “Voluntary” is the key word in these discussions.

    1. Graham, you must have missed the part of the blog where I detailed the National Party’s attempt in the 1990s to set up a death committee who actively aimed to cost rationalise health by submitting kill lists. You are claiming that didn’t happen and that Jenny Shipley didn’t attempt that. Why the need to re-write history to get your euthanasia bill through?

      1. Martyn, I have read your article in its entirety (and also the link to Selwyn Manning’s piece). That was a very nasty attempt at compulsory triage by Shipley (and thank you for drawing attention to it again) but my point is that David Seymour’s bill (and Peter Brown’s bill in 2003) turn on the VOLUNTARY request of a person wanting an assisted death. Shipley’s recommendations, of course, were to be imposed, not requested. Doctors are already assisting people to die at their request (and at great risk to their liberty and careers). I believe a law change would take it out of the shadows and bring the practice into the light for the benefit of both patient and doctor.

        1. Desperate medical technology will only become more in demand as the health system buckles under the weight of an increasing elderly population. This isn’t assisted medical treatment. This is surrender.

    2. Oh Ok, I suppose that the recent move by Canada to now expand euthanasia for children is no problem for you. I notice you make no mention of the hundreds of countries around the world that reject the abomination of euthanasia.

  2. It seems odd that some people in NZ think its alright for someone to end their life but not alright for some people to enjoy a good smoke of marijuana while they are alive and well fucken hypocrites. People should never feel pressured to end their life and this is a major issue for euthanasia some people may feel they have become a burden when they should never be made to feel like this.

  3. Martyn, I have read your article in its entirety (and also the link to Selwyn Manning’s piece). That was a very nasty attempt at compulsory triage by Shipley (and thank you for drawing attention to it again) but my point is that David Seymour’s bill (and Peter Brown’s bill in 2003) turn on the VOLUNTARY request of a person wanting an assisted death. Shipley’s recommendations, of course, were to be imposed, not requested. Doctors are already assisting people to die at their request (and at great risk to their liberty and careers). I believe a law change would take it out of the shadows and bring the practice into the light for the benefit of both patient and doctor.

    1. And my counter Graham is that if we look at the sadistic manner in which the Government currently treat prisoners, beneficiaries, mental health patients and the elderly in shitty retirement slums, it is only a matter of time isn’t it before some bureaucrat in Wellington thinks that a really good cost cutting regime would be an advertising campaign for the sick and the poor to be aware that voluntary euthanasia is an option – NOT TO PRESSURE THEM OF COURSE GRAHAM (wink, wink, nudge nudge), but just to educate them about their options, and before you start complaining about my analogy, why would you try and stop an education campaign Graham? Surely the sick and the weak and the poor have the same right to be informed of their voluntary options as the rich alpha personality types who currently demand the right to end their lives because their pride refuses to allow another to help them when they are that ill and sick – and if you can’t see how quickly that would occur you are giving the State far too much credit.

  4. Martyn this time I agree. I have a chronic disease that will over time reduce my ability to communicate my wishes, but according to the ACT proposals I will be able to end my life at any time, just not have the drug that would keep me pain free.

  5. While not denying the state’s cruelty, I think the bigger threat to the vulnerable will come from within their family or from the frail themselves.

    As a society we seem to be becoming more selfish and afflicted with entitlitus.
    As was pointed out above, the elderly, remote from their family, their world getting smaller.
    They and the community around them have forgotten how to live, and we want to ramp up access to death.

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