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  1. Research quoted in the Herald yesterday was quite clear the difference in reoffending rates for both prison or home detention graduates is negligible. But the fiscal situation is far superior on Home D. It’s a justice system on the very cheap. Good ol’ neoliberal bottom lines that Bill English and Ruth Richardson would be proud of.

    And let’s not forget, Labour Green have had 6 years to begin meaningful reform of the prison system. Problem is they didn’t bother. Probably had no idea how anyway, like everything.

    Not quoted was Home D has virtually no prevention factor. When factoring in whether to commit crime, being paid to chill at home as a consequence is not exactly onerous is it?

    But to Labour’s back of a Dunhill packet crime policy with 5 minutes thought. It looks like a bunch of student politicians solution to a nagging headline problem that won’t stop. Oh, hang on… It won’t work, it’s not meant to work, it’s to get them across the line on election day. A mirage, facade, a confusing. And I don’t know what’s worse, this insulting dishonest bullshit or, God help us, Ginny Anderson pretending the jails are only being emptied of cannabis offenders and drink drivers. Jeesus Caaryst Ginny, you think we are that stupid? For. Fucks. Sake.

    1. The drug dealers who used to live in one of our units had a guy who was on home detention that served as their lookout (because he was always home). His job involved sitting out in front of the garage, listening to loud music & annoying the surrounding neighbors. He would interact with customers and if the Police turned up (which they did frequently due to domestic violence from another resident), he would intercept them and keep them engaged in friendly banter, while any product on site was tossed over the fence (to be recovered later or denied if found). Interestingly when they were all arrested, a shotgun was found on the property, but that was OK because it didn’t belong to anyone & nobody knew anything about it.

  2. I find it a bit hard to believe that people have suddenly stopped caring about the terrible state of the (totally overpriced) housing stock. Surely that is just statistical noise, and really crime and housing are equally important to people.

    The government meeting its obligations as laid out in the Beveridge Report and the White Paper on Full Employment is the only ultimate solution (i.e. abolition of want, mass disease, ignorance, squalor and idleness). But on the law and order front, there need to be changes also.

    The cartels and gangs need to be smashed once and for all — mass arrests of all members, and nobody allowed out until they are too old to cause anyone trouble. No charges for possession of narcotics, but life in prison with hard labour for distribution/production (or maybe the death penalty?). Stand Your Ground laws for armed self-defence against burglars and professional shoplifting gangs.

    Mass expansion of the prisons will be required. Use of the Pennsylvania System in their design and operation should be revived: separation and enforced silence at all times, to erase the criminal personality, and crush the growth of criminal subculture. Hard productive labour in silence during the day, and internal exile in new frontier settlements upon release (perhaps at age 65).

    1. Kristoff R. Hard labour for hardened criminals is more constructive than their being locked in cells for hours on end, or worse still, being held in solitary confinement. Potholes could finally get filled, storm debris cleared, shoreline maintenance addressed. Some could benefit from acquiring building or cooking or other useful skills. Staffing clearly has to be addressed responsibly, rather than relying on recruits from WINZ’s books as they seem to do now.

  3. Australia, UK, Canada, and America, are also countries where transgender extremists have gained significant political leverage just as they have in New Zealand, including influencing educational curricula and seemingly, and police activity.

    Youth crime rates, with their incubating of hardened criminals, make the abolition of the independent Commissioner for Children who provided an independent pro-active birds’ eye view of societal issues which are impacting upon children, even more inexplicable.

    1. Jesus wept. The tranny’s are controlling the police? Are you sure you haven’t suffered a not so gentle blow to the head Annie?

      1. Wheel. No, transvestites are not controlling the police anywhere that I know of, and nor did I say that they were.

  4. You can never be tough enough on crime to make a real difference, unless you move to death squads & extermination camps, and I certainly don’t want to live in that kind of society. Some people are probably not salvageable, but we need to create a society that nurtures the young, educates them so they can find meaningful work and contribute to building a fairer society for all.

    Unfortunately Neo-liberalism will never deliver this, it doesn’t even want to, it needs an underclass as a threat, it needs criminals to keep citizens scared & easy to control, it’s happy with the current situation, plus there are opportunities for profit with private prisons & security. We need real solutions and those solutions are hard, till then “lock’em up” is all we are likely to get & it’s basically worse than useless (though not locking up dangerous criminals is even worse). We need to stop creating new criminals and seriously try to rehabilitate those we already have.

    1. Yes, wise Rat. We should be able to create a just society, but the will is not there.

      1. The desire & will is definitely there, you read it in the articles & comments here, activists on the street, everyone wants a safer, more secure, fairer society, they are generally manipulated & undermined by corporate interests, politicians & the media, to be scared & defensive. The game is rigged.

        1. Rat in a cage. Yes, again, and intelligent independent MSM could make a huge difference. When I said that the will is not there, I was referring to the political will, not the will of the people, my apologies.

  5. Rather than build youth-justice facilities, a much cheaper option for the government is to build stockades and gallows….easy

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