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  1. ” The perception will be fed that Labour is “soft” on gangs, and perversely determined to foster one law for Pakeha and another for Māori. ”

    Perception is reality, the evidence is overwhelming.

  2. Indeed.
    “It is clear to everyone that the Minister responsible, Poto Williams, has (like so many of her colleagues) been entirely captured by her officials.”
    I’m sounding like a stuck record – not without some experience in the PS, but it amazes me how many politicians we’ve elected have inadequate bullshit detectors when it comes to the PS while possessing the art of PR bullshit and spin themselves.
    I used to wonder whether many in the senior and muddle ranks were intentionally trying to sabotage this government from day 1 – not any more. It’s become more obvious by the day. And there a a few real standouts.

    1. The present reality of political downfall in NZ demonstrates what tiny goals MPs have for serving the lower income people who are suffering from earlier devastations and abandonment by Labour. At all costs that must not be admitted, faced up to, and in the absence of that, MPs hands and indeed brains are captured and tied.

      If we could face up to the abandoned who are at the centre of the spread of Covid, and take them all to a hotel in the country where they would stay under guard but in comfort, and have the gear to choose something to do, eg young men and women form teams called the Covidbeaters, and practice and have play offs after Christmas with other teams, it would be a bold and creative step in control of infection. But that would stir up indignation, there is no cache of goodwill to draw on to try such a stance.

  3. I think you’ll find this mess is rooted in Labour Party policy. The government officials simply did as they’re told and most likely warned the minister that this would happen. Deaf to criticism the ideologue of a minister would have ignored their feedback.
    So now Labour has dug itself into this hole, the relevant officials just say “I told you so” and most likely have the email to prove it.

    Haven’t you watched “Yes Minister”?

  4. Don’t disagree with your post, something should be done. But what? Evict unruly tenants then what? Where do they go, they go somewhere else and carry on. This is nimbyism that solves nothing, just kicking the can down the road. Sadly I agree somewhat with the Natz “get tough on crime” on this one. This is criminal behaviour which makes it the Police and Courts issue to deal with. This is just another symptom of our neo liberal system that has built a huge underclass in Aotearoa. It won’t go away only grow worse with current inequality driving the underclass mad. All Govt depts will do zero as they are beholden to the system. Like Covid we have to live with it, it is a man made problem same as the climate, which also will not be addressed. More tinkering?

    1. Violent and destruction tenants who trash houses and neighbours (with proof) should be evicted to emergency accomodation or caravans with a lot more security in place for their neighbours.

      If there are children involved (and most criminals and dysfunctional people seem to hide behind their children) Oranga Tamariki should be monitoring them.

      The problem is that Oranga Tamariki management of the situation and the current ideology is very flawed.

      One of the cases in the state child abuse enquiry.

      “Emery understands now that she was taken because her mother was an abusive drug addict and an alcoholic.

      They can’t even work out their biggest errors which is that they fail to have the stable foster/adoptive parents in place so the kids are not moving every year to poor guardians full of problems.

      “My first placement was with some random lady we didn’t know,” Emery said.

      “The second was with my aunty, it didn’t last long because she was giving us hidings.”

      The only comfort for Emery was that she still had her two baby sisters with her aged four and two at the time.

      The familiarity was the only comfort she could cling to. But that was ripped away from her in their third uplift.

      One of her sisters was sent to live with her father.

      “My sister was four when she was sent to live with her dad,” Emery said.

      “It wasn’t long before he beat her to the point she was hospitalised. The last time I’ve seen her was about eight years ago. I’ve only seen her four or five times since I was five.”

      Emery and her baby sister were shuffled through more placements before returning to their mother, who was pregnant.

      “We were given back to her not long before she was due, but that was only so when CYFs came to pick us up they could take the baby too.”

      The three children were then placed into another home for a year before they returned into the system, where they have stayed ever since.
      The children have been separated. Emery says one placement, which lasted two years, was a living hell.

      “I spent two years in a placement where I was abused every day,” she said.

      “The system is f…..”

      In another, she said she was put through a glass window in Rotorua and ended up in hospital.

      And abuse in state care is of no surprise to Government officials.”

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115120454/abused-and-suffering-in-the-care-of-oranga-tamariki-karisma-emerys-story

      If you read the stories with a brain, you realise OT pushing kids from pillar to post rather than a stable family is part of the problem of the past, not removing the child in the first place from drug and neglectful parents. .

      Meanwhile Oranga Tamariki are appealing the decision of the judge who ruled for the pakeha family who took in a child but Oranga Tamariki three years later wants to tear it away from them to they can live with another relative.

      Who are hell wants to foster and take in children under these circumstances?

      OT identity war is heart breaking for non identity folks to be a pawn in their system and have kids torn away after long periods of time to places of harm (aka relatives or back to parents, who abuse and hospitalise them).

      Also if they want to help the parents, work it out, they are drugged out and with alcohol dependancy.

      So who is Labour and Greens favourite small businesses and people who they give compassionate NZ citizenship to, drug smugglers, criminals, gangs and liquor barons and their employees!

      1. It occurs to me that when society organises itself so that it takes all meaningful opportunity and hope away from so many people, who are then cast into gangs as an alternative social structure, thrown into poverty, and driven into gambling, alcohol, drugs, and crime, then we create ghettos of ‘unruly tenants’ about whom nothing can practicably be done.

        Yes, we can seize their children and put them away somewhere else for the time being, and we can tell the adults to move on. Like asking homeless drunks to move on, the problem is then shifted elsewhere, possibly to a location right near you.

        Society and its endemic greed has created this problem, and that’s where the solution is to be found. Taking away so much from people, then punishing them for not having it, is the highway to hell that we’re on, and that is getting us into increasingly worse social-economic trouble.

        1. I’m not sure ‘society’ agrees with drug smugglers like Sroubek being given NZ residency for compassionate reasons! That is government policy not society policy. Society is increasingly pretty outraged by all these exploiters coming to NZ and everyone else is victimised from them and bleeding heart media stories weekly about how yet another bad thing happened (generally family members dying or being hurt) and so they of course the rest of the family must be given NZ citizenship and residency for the rest of their lives. Only happens in NZ!

  5. I can imagine the same media making the same noises if Kāinga Ora had quickly removed unruly tenants with repeated sob stories from those removed painting them as hard done by individuals. The MSM is well known for being selective about what it publishes & while there will be problem people I would prefer knowing all the facts before passing judgment.

  6. You can just see that some Kelburn dwelling liberal bureaucrats along with weevil brained middle class government ministers feel gang members are really just big misunderstood folk and kindness will be their salvation. Hence Kaianga Ora’s idiotic no eviction policy.

    Meanwhile back on planet Earth, those types are just pure dysfunctional scum who see empathy as weakness to be exploited, infinitely.

    This government is positively radiating weak on crime and strong on criminal love. Ordinary people don’t like this, I can tell you.

    I’m sure there will be some immediate window dressing take place to alter their perceptions and get it out of the spotlight whilst maintaining their warped status quo experiment.

    As i said yesterday, what Kaianga Ora are doing really damages Kaianga Ora’s reputation, what’s left of it, and it’s reason for being!

  7. More taxes on the way, in a similar note today that in was announced that Labour are introducing a 2% + 2% extra tax for unemployment insurance. We already have the dole, why not save copious amounts of bureaucracy by making unemployment available from day 1!

    Imagine the scams as somebody employs someone on a ‘high wage’ only to lay them off at 80% full pay that the other employers and employees have to pay for!

    Yipee, something for the exploiters and fraudsters to get their teeth into now the wage subsidies are declining!

    How about some personal responsibility for the bad employers constantly laying people off who have to PAY each time, so they are disincentivized to do it.

    NOPE, woke, neoliberals are determined to make the good subsidise the bad eggs (and encourage and support the bad behaviour) NOT put in measures to make people accountable financially for their decision instead.

    Just like the Scum tenants getting everything while the victims are homeless!

    Or the committee led Meth guidelines that the social housing ‘charities’ consulted on!

    Woke Madness strikes again!

  8. The problem with this is that the government can’t just be reactionary. I don’t think anyone would disagree with eviction being warranted in situations like this. The issue though is what to do with them after they’re evicted? Do you leave them with no state help thus effectively homeless? Homelessness is a hot button issue and the government is trying to reduce it not increase it. If you put them up in another state house – could you find one with no close neighbours? Probably not. It’s easy to stand on the sidelines and scream “evict” – and I’d be one of those people screaming – but when those people are in your care, your responsibilty doesn’t end with the eviction. They are still your problem, but now a homeless problem.

    1. Well said Brad, I totally agree. It is a seemingly unsolvable problem; simply calling for endless evictions and imprisonments will solve nothing.

  9. This female is an idiot, there because shes a Maori (birds flock together) her school name was probably Potato i think, her thought processes are as fast as a potato in the ground….sorry folks for the perceived racism,some gang member threatening to bash a pensioner and threatening to gut him out worries me about this ministerial waste of space and oxygen…a potato

  10. The criminals should be punished and victims should be protected. To do otherwise is obvious perversion of justice. The state is most of all obliged to protect the citizens and not to care about those who do not want to obey laws and rules. The tenants who do not obey the rules should be evicted, they were given their chance but their behaviour disqualified them. There are thousand who would happily succeed on their place who are willing to obey the rules. The state is not our mother and father and once we are adult we are responsible for what we do.
    To move “problematic” families to one place will create “no go zones”. It is always easier to deal with an individual than with a group. Those who would be evicted can rent with a private landlord or can become homeless. They either will learn or not, it depends on them.
    As for the children, maybe there is the time to rethink the institutional residential care (there are heaps of boarding schools that prove that it is possible to do it well) and to place the children to foster families only when there is a warrant that the child will be cared for better than in the institution.

  11. There is no easy fix. There are too many variables here. It will need to be determined on a case by case basis. If you label all the members of one particular group in society and frame laws around that, then you’re not achieving anything worthwhile in the long term. Haven’t we learned anything from the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated division?

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