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  1. It’s even simpler than that – we are deliberately split in to “believers” and “non believers” for political purposes- climate change, vaccines, vaccine mandates,, Maori co-governance,
    1080 poison- you either have total belief in the good of these things or you are a heathen.
    It is ,as you say no different to the religion of old, it’s now science that is being misused to make black and white from shades of grey.

  2. You make a very good point Chris and there are a couple of logical extrapolations of your thoughts that deserve mentioning.

    I think politicians would do themselves a big favour if they expressed some humility in the face of complexity. Instead of adopting the pose of the strident authoritarian as we’ve seen with, say, Ardern and Trudeau, might they have done better if they’d be more open and said “Hey, there are a lot of unknowns but we’ll muddle our way through this thing together”? As it turned out ‘The Science’ of the pandemic was not carved into a stone tablet that was carried down from a mountain by priests in white lab coats. It was just a series of guesses based on a raft of unstated assumptions. If that had been more thoroughly explained we might have come out of this thing as a more united nation.

    Complexity in natural systems has largely defeated the computer modelers. The local non-linear interactions of the individual elements are just too numerous to replicate. These interactions culminate in a higher order of emergence greater than the sum of the parts, meaning that we cannot model a pandemic, a stock market or the thermodynamics of a cloud and obtain practically useful results. The cloud thing is particularly important when we bear in mind that water vapour provides 95% of the greenhouse effect and clouds govern the albedo of the earth (the amount of sunlight that gets reflected rather than absorbed). So when you hear a scientist on the podium referencing climate models as if they were the aforementioned stone tablets, you have good cause to chuckle. We simply don’t know what the earth’s future climate or sea level will be – it is literally unknowable.

    1. Well said Andrew, I concur.
      The tendency to believe and promote whatever aligns with our chosen ideology is a human frailty we should be careful not to fall into. Confirmation bias it’s called, sounds innocent enough but it’s deadly dangerous.

      “Ideologies are substitutes for true knowledge, and ideologues are always dangerous when they come to power, because a simple-minded I-know-it-all approach is no match for the complexity of existence.”
      ― Jordan B. Peterson,

    2. Some clarification for you Andrew. No reputable scientist presents any model as a “stone tablet”. That’s counter to the fundamental philosophy of science. What we have is our best current understanding of the available evidence backed up by interdisciplinary verification – operative word being “best”. If you want to understand something then perhaps you should consider what those who have the best understanding are saying. By the way, the change in water vapour content in the atmosphere is a passive response to a change in temperature. Simple physics, as the air warms, it carries more moisture. It is not a driver of the warming. And yes, clouds affect the earth’s albedo. I think the climate modellers know both those things.

  3. While overall I agree with Chris he has made a big mistake by confusing organized religion with true religion. History tells us that whenever church & state combine persecution is sure to follow. The problem with human nature will not be fixed by self-help lessons, it requires a renewing of the mind or being born again in a spiritual sense, the problem with organized religion is that it sets up its own rules while bypassing our creator’s plan for us.

    1. “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken”

    2. It’s apparently not appropriate to be religious in this day and age but I cant help thinking, that if more people had a personal relationship with their God (however they frame that) and were inspired through that spirituality to follow a credo of socially beneficial behaviour, then the world would be a better place. And I think the distinction you make between ‘personal spirituality’ and organised religion is a big one.

      People go on about science as if its infallible and spirituality is just a joke but I keep having this thought that what if you could take an average town and get people to meditate for one hour a day on their religion if they have it, or just on personal improvements they can make in their own lives, their community etc. And those people actually did it, every day.

      I would dearly love to see if there was a change in that town at the end of a year. I am absolutely certain there would be. As well as differences at a family level and a personal level. We are currently missing a connectedness and a mindfulness of who we are and what we are a part of and its contributing to the decline we are in.

      Rather than deriding religion or other social structures, we should seek to better understand how we can encourage these ways of living (be it buddhism or christianity) to the betterment of society rather than superciliously announcing, I’m educated and above all that crap and the social control it brings. Kind of like Maori and Tikanga, many are connecting with it because it speaks to them on a spiritual or societal connectedness level. All good stuff in building a vibrant connected society.

      We need vision from our leaders but at the end of the day, we need to be the change we want to see so why not start with spirituality or similar.

      1. “People go on about science as if its infallible ”

        No they don’t, They just make the point that science is based on evidence and upon that which can be demonstrable. Religion is dogma, almost universally based on non-verifiable claims and assertion (i.e. belief), whether it is organised or not. Scientific understanding can change with regard to best evidence, that’s what makes it always superior to dogma (religion) as a means of determining nature of reality.

  4. “Complexity has become the enemy of clarity”

    “baffle them with bullshit”
    has always been one of my favourite quotes

  5. Vision, leadership, consensus, humility is what our politicians need and they must have a system that supports this. The reason people are going here there and everywhere seeking answers is because they feel the void in our society and they see that our leaders have no vision.

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