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  1. Thanks so much for this information Jane. Without this international context, which most kiwi new media talking heads seem blissfully unaware of, it seems like those opposing the ISDS scheme are the ones in the minority.

    “South Africa has replaced its BITS with a domestic law that treats foreign and local investors the same, with investor rights made subject to the post-apartheid constitution, and cases to be heard in the national courts.”

    There you go Jacinda, let’s go down this road. You can always blame pressure from NZ First and the Greens, if you don’t want to take the credit yourself.

  2. ‘instruct negotiators to build a critical mass to achieve that.’

    I have faith they could and should do that.

  3. If Labour doesn’t pull back from the TPP they could lose support to NZ First or the Greens. Just saying.

    1. Just saying – they may gain support from the National and ACT enterprisers who are confident they’d always be on the winning side.

      Remember always that the best for the country and its citizens may not be best for the comfort and affluence of its politicians. If there are dollars and status and power in the mix – the ‘good of the country’ is generally going to be the long-term loser.

  4. Great material . Thanks Jane .

    ISDS sure ain’t no cute FTA puppy , its a psycho dog with rabies that needs to be put down.

    Side -letters on ISDS or an ISDS freeze (till the US comes back) sound ineffective.

    It is good to see international pressure to construct ISDS free agreements getting real traction and would make perfect sense for you to be part of the negotiation team , Jacinda and David will need all the help they can get .

  5. Yes Jane,

    Put this ‘National TPPA dog’ down as it has ‘rabies’.

    National MP’s display a kind of angry bark in parliament.

    Rabies is a kind of viral infection that affects the brain after a bite from an infected animal.

    Most National MP’s are definately affected like this now I would say so to adviod any futher spread of this to any Labour Coalition MP’s put this dog down.

    Good call there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies

  6. What is really important to know, that is, who is doing the negotiating for New Zealand, and what instructions have they been given from Wellington?

    That may tell us where things will go.

    And who is advising Grant Robertson, David Parker and Jacinda, that is equally important.

    ISDS may be raised at the upcoming meeting, but given the quality of the just mentioned, it may be given only so much weight when they make a final decision.

    Never underestimate the business sector, and most of them want Labour and its support parties to sign the TPPA.

    We will soon know, it is a bit late to organise protests only a couple of days out from a major meeting in Vietnam or Malaysia.

    1. >> Never underestimate the business sector, and most of them want Labour and its support parties to sign the TPPA. <<

      The TPP has been radicalising for a lot of kiwi tech businesses. Initially, they assumed the TPP was overall a good thing, and they were only concerned about the US using the agreement to push their "intellectual property" ideology further into other countries' laws on copyright, patents, and so on. But once they started understanding the way the TPP affected their own business, it became a lot easier to show them that these Corporate Rights Treaties do the same sorts of things in every area of business.

      My point is that just as a lot of business people assume National governments are good for "the economy" (despite copious evidence to the contrary), they also casually assume that "trade" is good, and therefore "trade agreements" must be good, regardless of their actual content. But we can change that. We need to engage with kiwi business people in good faith (particularly farmers), show them the parts of the TPP text that affect their area of business, and explain how the TPP will harm their business, to the benefit of their overseas competitors.

      Once a few influential business leaders start publicly questioning the value of continuing with the zombie TPP, it will lose what little public support it has left. Then the government can instruct the NZ negotiators to can it (or at least insist on a complete re-negotiation), without much risk of political blowback.

      1. I was a bit heartened today, despite of my doubts about Jacinda, that I read or heard on MSM, that they plan to ‘renegotiate’ the TPP. So if that is the case, we may have some humble reason to be hopeful. And as Jacinda has ‘surprised’ a few of us, and of the opposition, including one Mr Hooton (quote on RNZ and Nine to Noon and Political Commentators on Monday), we may be in for a further surprise, so I hope, that may see things come right after all. Let us hope and pray for now.

  7. This horrid thing is still sticking… oh for the day you write Jane ‘ it’s dead and buried’!

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