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  1. Kia ora Curwen
    I agree with the general thrust of your comment but would add
    1. The kaupapa of the occupation includes the phrase “whakaaro pai ki nga tangata katoa” and the vast majority of those at Ihumatao fully and willingly comply.
    2. Given that the kaupapa cannot be enforced, but relies entirely on influence and persuasion among a constant flux of people coming and going, it is almost inevitable that some individuals in the freedom camp will depart from the kaupapa.
    3. The regime has blatantly used racial and cultural differences to pursue a policy of divide and rule at Ihumatao. That does not excuse aggressive or xenophobic reactions from those in the freedom camp, but it does place this incident in context.
    Nga mihi

      1. “Divide and rule” is a system used by British colonial administrations which encourages people to identify with their own ethnic group and then pits one ethnic group against another.
        Through the promotion of inter-ethnic rivalry or conflict, the governing authority avoids the risk of a united popular (non-ethnic or multi-ethnic) opposition to its policies.
        At Ihumatao the regime recruited a security force comprised entirely of recent Indian migrants to face down a group of protesters who are predominantly Maori but supported by a significant number of Pakeha and people of many other nationalities.
        So while the protectors of Ihumatao are building a multi-ethnic movement for social justice, the colonial regime first tried to turn the dispute into a “Maori vs Pakeha” argument, and when that tactic failed, tried to pit Indian migrants against native New Zealanders. That measure is also doomed to fail.
        In days gone by the British empire could use Fijians to police Indians, Malays to police Chinese, Sri Lankans to police Tamils, Greeks to police Turks – which always had a converse side in which Indians were used to economically undermine Fijians and so on.
        But the system of “divide and rule” no longer works so well in Aotearoa. The colonial regime is on a hiding to nothing if it even thinks it can get away with such cynical and manipulative tactics at Ihumatao.

        1. Geoff Fischer: ““Divide and rule” is a system used by British colonial administrations which encourages people to identify with their own ethnic group and then pits one ethnic group against another.”

          Please: stop with this nonsense. Whatever British colonial admins did in the past, NZ hasn’t been a colony, de facto since the 19th century, de jure since the early 20th century. So: this country hasn’t been ruled by Britain since it instituted its first parliament in 1854.

          “….the colonial regime first tried to turn the dispute into a “Maori vs Pakeha” argument, and when that tactic failed, tried to pit Indian migrants against native New Zealanders. That measure is also doomed to fail.”

          Again: stop with the “colonial” nonsense. What you’re describing here just isn’t the case at Ihumatao. The local iwi, along with Fletcher, has asked the protesters to decamp; from what I’ve seen, Fletcher is – very wisely – keeping a low profile, given the sensitivities of the situation.

          The deployment of the police has got NOTHING to do with the government; surely you understand this at least? How often is it necessary to repeat this? The land is privately-owned; the situation has nothing to do with Treaty settlements. And nothing to do with the government.

          Given the numbers of Maori serving in the police, particularly in south Auckland, it’s likely that the local hierarchy decided to deploy officers of different ethnicities, in order to avoid potential tensions, and to spare them the more egregious stuff coming from the protesters. Although we’ve now seen how well that worked out, haven’t we?

          “But the system of “divide and rule” no longer works so well in Aotearoa. The colonial regime is on a hiding to nothing if it even thinks it can get away with such cynical and manipulative tactics at Ihumatao.”

          Christ…. It appears that you’re living partly in the past, and partly in some fantasyland. Note: government. There is no colonial regime. And note further: said government isn’t involved. That’s how our legal system works now; and – by the sound of it – thank god it does.

    1. Geoff Fischer: “The regime has blatantly used racial and cultural differences to pursue a policy of divide and rule at Ihumatao.”

      I think that you need to elucidate. What is this “regime” to which you refer?

      I have paid attention to the reportage about what’s happening there: I’m yet to see this “divide and rule” you’re talking about here.

  2. The problem with our NZ police is too many of our Maori people have had bad experiences with them both current and historical including myself i find many of our police to be racist and they hold old stereo typical views about us.
    They tend to not use their discretion and if your brown you are more likely to be pulled over in your car, i know i have experienced it many times me and my partner and we don’t mixed words when they do this we don’t swear but we certainly tell them they are being racist maybe that is why they don’t like us cause we tell them straight they cant’ handle it so they take it out on us.

  3. The problem with our NZ police is too many of our Maori people have had bad experiences with them both current and historical including myself i find many of our police to be racist and they hold old stereo typical views about us.
    They tend to not use their discretion and if your brown you are more likely to be pulled over in your car, i know i have experienced it many times me and my partner and we don’t mixed words when they do this we don’t swear but we certainly tell them they are being racist maybe that is why they don’t like us cause we tell them straight they cant’ handle it so they take it out on us.

  4. The Unemployed movement of the 90s in particular, at least the activist section of it–“burn Shipley Burn!”, made strategic and tactical errors by concentrating on the Cops. Team Policing and beating activists and lying in Court did the cops no favours of course. But the Unemployed Movement battles with Cop front lines muddied the waters and basically destroyed much chance of wide practical unity between employed and unemployed workers.

    Māori Rights and Sovereignty struggles are different in specifics and historical roots, but when the protectors and supporters of Ihumātao can have singing Cops rather than “swinging Cops” they should choose the former! Of course if the political orders go out, no amount of goodwill will stop batons on bones.

    As Curwen points out, there is unprecedented middle class support from some quarters that should be courted to some degree.

    1. Tiger Mountain: “….there is unprecedented middle class support from some quarters that should be courted to some degree.”

      The longer the shenanigans at Ihumatao continue, the less support there will be from the middle class. In virtue of what should anyone suppose that the pakeha – and non-Maori – middle class will continue to support people who bray about colonialism and fling gratuitous insults at immigrants?

      Good luck with that….

  5. NO….
    The NZ Police are armed,they fit the technical definition of a para military organisation.

    Dont let a pig with a guitar fool you,for every 1 with a guitar there are 1000 with weapons of war to kill you.

    And please remember these swine have sworn an oath to the Crown.

    It wont be long before they commit an atrocity at Ihumatao.

    The only way for the Crown to end the occupation is to engineer a situation where somebody is hurt or killed.
    Police Command are a bunch of colonial scum who operate independently of the central government,they are ‘rogue’.

    The way to deal with these pigs is by having the general public understand that the Black Power and the Mongrel Mob are more legitimate than the Crown.

    Many of the gang members have tribal connections to the historical grievances of the past and i feel this has influenced their decision to become gang members in the first place.

    These guys and girls know the Crown is a serious threat to freedom and so they have formed defensive organisations to protect themselves.

    The way to solve our so called gang culture problems is to run an inclusive society instead of embracing racist marginalisation policies,otherwise known as ‘divide and conquer’.
    We need to call up all of these gangsters and mobsters and ask them to please put their historical differences aside and stand for the people and the land.

    The gangsters can help to enforce the large scale land redistribution programme in Auckland.

    There will be some racist whites who will not leave peacefully,some fatal examples will need to be made during the reset and the gang community is qualified to conduct the type of extra judicial renditions that lets colonial white society know that the game has changed.

    The message is – show some respect or perish.

    This is not just about historical injustice at Ihumatao,it is about the fact that common life in New Zealand is an injustice.

    Ask these gang members,they all know of the injustices from personal experience and it had played a role in the criminalisation of their attitudes towards society.

    The mere existence of the Crown is causing intergenerational criminal tendencies in the general population,not just Maori,i have seen the hatred burning in the eyes of neglected white NZ too.

    Recently,some Auckland City Councillors have been at Ihumatao explaining to the people the corrupt nature of the situation and they have commented that when injustice is legal,there is no option but to break the law.

    We need to be having thousands and thousands of heavily armed resistance fighters joining the fray.

    The situation will turn violent for the following reason…

    While the intuitive among us know this is a civil war unfolding in front of the camera’s,many of those police out at the occupation site are still of the belief that they are there for crowd control purposes.

    Calling the independent gangster battalions to Ihumatao needs to happen before police commit an atrocity because the atrocity itself will be used to justify calling out the Army to impose Martial Law in the South Side.

    The Crown is running out of options,it knows SOUL is not just about land,its about the entire ‘situation’ here in NZ,which is the ‘situation’ of our entire world in micro.

    The people have lost their patience with the system that oppresses them.

    1. Joshua: your comment is an egregious rant: an incitement to violence, even. I’m surprised that it got past the moderator, actually.

      “Calling the independent gangster battalions to Ihumatao needs to happen before police commit an atrocity because the atrocity itself will be used to justify calling out the Army to impose Martial Law in the South Side.”

      Somebody here read your comment over my shoulder. They remarked that it reads as if you’re – as the saying goes – on something. What on earth are you talking about? Atrocity? By the police? For heaven’s sake, man, this is NZ!

      On the other hand, if the crims get a foothold in there, who knows what’ll happen. Though judging by the history of gang conflict, they’re more likely to turn on each other than on anybody else.

      Pedro is right: you need to think very carefully about what you’re advocating here. You better hope that the SIS isn’t reading this blogsite.

  6. “….. it becomes even a vector – as we can see here with that video – of perpetuating *further* iniquities against those not exactly morally blameful for the actually-objectionable circumstances being protested against.”

    That would by no means be the first time I’ve heard anti-immigrant stuff from the mouths of Maori people. Those paying attention will have seen a bit of it here on this blogsite, in connection with various situations in which Maori are on the wrong side of the statistics. Apparently, their dire social situation is the fault of immigrants.

    I must point out that none of us is at fault over the current ownership status of Ihumatao; a fortiori the police – called upon by the iwi and Fletcher to protect the owners against attempts to prevent them from building on privately-owned land, as they have a consent to do.

    As I’ve said elsewhere, whatever any of us thinks about it, the ownership die was cast long before any of us was born. Moreover, none of us now alive was responsible for the large scale land alienation and confiscations of the 19th and early 20th centuries.

    The woman who abused that police officer clearly saw nothing wrong with what she did, given that she posted the video on social media. Now she’s whining that what she said wasn’t racist: had somebody of another ethnicity – pakeha, for instance – said something equivalent to her, she’d have been to the Race Relations Commissioner quicker than you can say moko. In the normal course of events, I’d have come to her defence, but she’s been so disingenuous that I can’t be bothered. Stupid, stupid, stupid…..

    This has long since taken on a blame-the-pakeha tone on the part of the protesters. Since those who wish to overturn Fletcher’s rightful ownership of their land will – at the very least – need the moral support of many NZ citizens who are pakeha (or at least not Maori), it’d be a cracking good idea to stop with the blame-the-pakeha stuff, along with the anti-immigrant schtick!

  7. “Since those who wish to overturn Fletcher’s rightful ownership of their land will – at the very least – need the moral support of many NZ citizens who are pakeha (or at least not Maori), ”
    And the context of that “”rightful ownership””. Since when has stolen property become “rightfully owned” by the receiver.

    The war or words has a lack of substance.

    1. John W: “And the context of that “”rightful ownership””. Since when has stolen property become “rightfully owned” by the receiver.”

      In this case; and in many others as well, both here and overseas. The Ihumatao case has been before the courts, and the status of the land affirmed. You and others may not like it, but there it is.

      Understand this: the initial confiscation in the 19th century was an injustice. But that is not the fault of the present-day descendants of the original owners; nor of Fletcher, which bought the land in good faith. Taking land off present-day owners, in an attempt to rectify a historical injustice, simply perpetrates another injustice, this time upon inoffensive citizens who weren’t born at the time of the original confiscation.

      Do you know how many people in this country – without a doubt including Maori – live on confiscated or stolen land? See this:

      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ihum-tao-protest-movement-has-based-its-campaign-misinformation-iwi-advocate?fbclid=IwAR3UEmtxu2Yl6JHt1i5nOhurMKF8QfCKPRUIa_WmTl0TIcCldiF9Xn9usSE

      “Pita Turei said: “The first thing we need to understand is that a million-and-a-half people in New Zealand live on stolen land”, adding that we “can’t change the rule book without a wider discussion”.”

      Exactly. Explain to me how return of all that stolen land could be accomplished without creating massive conflict? No prizes for guessing how Maori would react to having what they see as “their” land given back to another tribe. Consider what happened in the 19th century, in Rekohu, and in the musket wars around the same time. In virtue of what should we not suspect that Ihumatao was itself stolen by the 19th century inhabitants from previous inhabitants, possibly during the musket wars?

      If you want to see how disastrously such attempts at reparation can turn out, you could do worse than look at Zimbabwe. Or what’s currently brewing in South Africa.

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