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  1. I recall a rough and ready Northern/National Distribution Union organiser in the 80s who used to crudely call Mr Roger–“Sideline Stan” or “Mudguard”–‘shiny on top and all shit underneath’.

    Don’t speak excessive ill of the dead is usually best, but lets not forget that the Joint Council of Labour was dissolved under Stan’s watch. This was the body where the likes of the FOL’s leadership met face to face with senior NZ Labour Party figures and MPs. Significant matters were discussed, but of course neo liberalism seeks to deny class relationships–the individual is all. So this working class voice and influenced was terminated.

    Would like to hear others comments on Chris contention before commenting further. Truth and the SIS (oh the analogue days)!

    1. In his interview with Harman, Tiger, Stan was at pains to point out that the Joint Council of Labour had become dysfunctional – largely on account of Jim Knox’s mental deterioration. He also made no secret of his preference for (and seemingly good working relationship with) Ken Douglas.

      Stan’s vision for the labour movement might best be summed up as “Bigger = Safer”. He genuinely believed, and clearly persuaded Ken Douglas to believe, that if New Zealand’s unions became larger, better resourced, fewer in number, and better led, then the abolition of compulsory membership (and compulsory arbitration?) would not harm them. He was, after all, a former PSA president – and the PSA was large, well-resourced and, most importantly, voluntary.

      Stan simply lacked the imagination to foresee the sheer malevolence of the neoliberal hoodlums who, following Labour’s 1990 defeat, came gunning for the union movement. As for Ken Douglas, I am told that his refusal to “take on” Birch and Bolger was because he genuinely believed that Stan’s new, big unions, organised in the brutally centralised CTU, could survive the Employment Contracts Act.

      How wrong both men were.

      As we are learning from the debate over Fair Pay Agreements, if some measure of equity is to be achieved in the workplace, then the state absolutely must keep its thumb on the scales. Isolated individuals, working in a viciously anti-union ideological environment, are no match for the boss: regardless of whether that boss is acting alone, or with the backing of the bosses’ “union” – Business NZ.

      The State must guarantee and facilitate the workers’ right to organise, because that’s the only way they can win. It’s why the Labour Party was formed – to make sure the workers had the state at their back. A Labour minister who makes a virtue out of standing on the sidelines – as Stan did – betrays the labour movement every bit a grievously as the neoliberal union-busters of the Right.

      1. Good comment Chris. Will track down the full Harman piece.

        I am harsher on KGD than you of course–I think he knew exactly what he was doing in ideologically abandoning his SUP coterie–without the courtesy of informing them first! But that does not deny a dialectic between Stan Rodger and Ken that formed some of his views. There were some disastrous union amalgamations from the “Big” model too–Dairy Workers and Textile and a lot of “Lifeboat” amalgamations as the late Bill Andersen termed them, enacted for mere survival.

        The NZCTU’s beloved Tripartism was based on the erroneous view that your sworn class enemies could become your friends. A simple look at Reagan and Thatcher, and Pinochet’s First Minister of Labour José Piñera, a Chicago Boy, who in part inspired the 1991 ECA, should have disabused them of that.

        No, Douglas remains a class collaborationist and right opportunist.

        Sutch and secret PSA cells look patriotic as time unfolds because they sought to represent and benefit the masses rather than the elites.

    2. LoL! I knew he was called SidelineStan, but I never heard mudguard. As this reads he was instrumental to Rogernomics.

  2. My Grandmother, Labour Party activist from the early 1920s to retirement in the 60s, PSA activist in the Public Service Equal Pay Campaign through the 1940s & 50s … was a member of Lewin’s Korero grouping & quite friendly with Sutch … not sure the Korero was quite as radical as Stan would have us believe however. Don’t think my Grandmother, for instance, ever saw herself as a Marxist … more a Left Social Democrat. Very much a Labour Party loyalist (& great admirer of Nordic Social Democracy as opposed to, say, Mao’s China or the Soviet Union) … not part of some sort of far left Militant Tendency-style infiltration that Stan appears to be hinting at.

    She was certainly progressive in terms of mid-20C feminism & views toward Māori (as was the entire Korero grouping) … but above all a believer in the common-sense & talents of ‘ordinary’ people … wouldn’t have been too taken with the professional middle class Woke capture of Left organisations, their self-interested elitism & authoritarianism (posing as moral refinement) or their highly-selective top-down empathy resulting in the vicious scapegoating of swathes of the lower income along ethnic lines. The days when Left activists lived in the real world.

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