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  1. Labour have scored a massive own goal with their claims of corruption. So many people respect Mike King that to come out an insinuate that he was been given assistance due to some type of political favouritism beggars belief.

    1. All kudos to King BUT consider the full story from a vulnerable young client perspective for whom this is supposed to be  about who’s left out there last week still with complex issues.

      AND the fallout is already happening.

      Other support agencies, those out there doing the same service for FREE for years , have been contacted by individual Gumboot Friday therapists to ask if they can pass King’s vulnerable client on to another therapist.

      These kids have done their MAXIMUM TWO talking SESSIONS with Gumboot Friday @ $ 140 per session paid to the therapist and as is the case Pandora’s Box has been opened and these  kids are left hanging in powerless situations that led them to therapy in the first place !!!!

      Understand that already existing out there ARE NGO’s and charitable organisations working with kids AND working with a high degree of collaboration with other agencies including schools and whole family support to put wrap around services in place. A kid is not an Island, nor after an isolated chat capable of changing the situation outside that is harming them 24/7.

      You can NOT play with kids’ this way, it’s high risk and UNETHICAL.

      Mental health of young people is complex and not just an introductory chat then a sorry ‘ we’ve finished ‘. And then, like the kid last week, these kids start all over again with another therapist AND still have the child do those same mandatory introductions all over again.

      It’s the counselling PROCESS of ” I am Hope ” prior that was under the spotlight for funding – consent, risk to child, efficacy, no follow up or support, SAFE processes etc.

      Eg. Was a kid in a household that has the perpetrator of their neglect or abuse living there too, SAFE ?
      These multi- faceted problems of kids will not be served by TWO chats let alone being effective suicide prevention.

      https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/charities/health-ministry-emails-warned-about-mike-king-linked-gumboot-friday

      1. I understand what you’re saying, and I can’t speak with any authority as to mental health services in this county.

        My point was really that politically it is a stupid target to go for and some of the insinuations are just silly.

    2. Scoop were not as charitable as TDB in their description of the political donations so there is some disagreement over this matter. Any political decision is going to have varying degrees of reception depending on the political views of those affected so as long as all information is available is about the best we can hope for.

  2. There’s no defending that haircut.

    I didn’t get Kings claim of Labour hypocrisy because they gave his charity 600k? Is he implying a Labour donor was part of his charity back then? I assume that would have to be the case?

    1. You seem to find it hard to accept any brick bats aimed at Labour however just .Nationals money to Lifesaving and I am Hope should be acknowledged. Labour talked up their input to mental health but failed to delivery the goods.

      1. Trevor I was asking a question. Did that organisation donate to Labour? Why is that a dig at National? Do you know the answer? If Mike King has called them hypocrites is it on that basis?

  3. Instead of building more jails then spending 150k a year per inmate to keep them in lets spend that money from the time a kid enters college on wrap around services to prevent crime and suicide and all mental health issues .150K would allow 10k a year to be invested in every kid at my local college .That ,MS WILLIS ,is social investment for every single 12 and over kid in nz .But that will never happen because it is more important to fund landlords who are part of the problem .That money would fund 320000 kids .But fuck them its better to have them living in poverty and killing them selves and others so we have someone to kick down the road now we are progressing from kicking cans down the road .

    1. As I regularly say – ‘What about the parents?’ And that’s not asking for the common response of a whack around the ear and shaming in the village square.

      This could be useful info from New York, USA about kids from diverse homes.
      https://www.the74million.org/article/my-humbling-education-in-what-families-really-want-from-their-kids-schools/
      **********************
      In New Zealand/Aotearoa:
      I wonder if Bill English et al have bothered to read and understand and assist the NZ Hippy program. Apparently his social investment is to spirit children away like nightmare goblins.

      HIPPY Education Programme NZ – Great Potentials Foundation
      greatpotentials.org.nz
      https://www.greatpotentials.org.nz › hippy
      Home Interaction Programme For Parents And Youngsters. Enquire Online To Get Started.
      ‎Real Life HIPPY Stories · ‎The HIPPY Programme · ‎HIPPY Locations · ‎HIPPY Enquiry Form

      Date? HIPPY NEW ZEALAND: AN EVALUATION OVERVIEW
      Ministry of Social Development
      https://www.msd.govt.nz › documents › spj12 › 1…
      DOC
      by G BarHava-Monteith · Cited by 21 — The purpose of these interviews was to obtain information about the operation of the programme. Issues such as families

      HIPPY Programme
      Great Potentials Foundation
      https://www.greatpotentials.org.nz › home-based-pre-sch…
      15 Jan 2021 — is a FREE home-based programme that helps parents to get their 2-5-year-old* child ready for success in education.

      The difference we make
      Great Potentials Foundation
      https://www.greatpotentials.org.nz › the-difference-we-m…
      31 Jan 2020 — Annual Evaluation reports are produced for the HIPPY, MATES, and Family Service Centre programmes and copies are made available to all …

      2024 – https://www.greatpotentials.org.nz/blog/hippy-conference-2024

  4. Not sure about Mike King. That is a lot of money to give someone. Where is the information,where are the outcomes,where is the proof that his processes work. In the beginning Mike King appeared the savior but in spite of his 600.000 dollars he still holds a grudge against Labour because they asked him to apply like every one else for funds. How can these clowns in government give 24 million to a charity just because for some reason Winston wanted it. We can’t fast track mental health it’s complicated especially where children are concerned and if anyone is messing with their heads it would be comforting to know that they actually know what they are doing no matter who it is

    1. Agree and so why is necessary to defend Mike King? Shouldn’t this money be contested instead of given to a guy who is a professional mourner and assembly moral booster? This isn’t treatment and by his own admission believes that you can treat small problems before they become big with two sessions with councilor. Spend 60% of charity money in admin and has enough to donate to political parties? Do not get what is good about any of that.

  5. Mike King supports privatisation of healthcare. The guy needs to be called out for the right wing conservative he is.

    Note we never had issues with mental health provision before the health reforms of 1993/94.

  6. “We can’t talk about suicide”. The ACT Party wouldn’t shut up about suicide and actually enshrined it in legislation as your right to die. Is a deep depression with suicidal thoughts an example of unbearable suffering which makes individuals eligible for End of Life (ACT’s position) or intensive counselling (National’s position)?

    1. Please don’t talk so unwisely eW. Right to die is not suicide. Some discernment needs to be present to talk about social issues. Please get it and think and count 10 before throwing your thoughts like cow pats. This is no game for careless prejudice and confabulation.

        1. I happen to have concern for the values of freedom of the right to die being set into a good legal framework. And not to be bandied around in a sentimental or false religious tone. I think it is important to ask unthinking people not to trot out their prejudices. Referring to it in connection with suicide is not a wise approach. And people should have the right as citizens to live in a country that considers and honours the rights of its people to be treated fairly. Pity that we don’t but it is to be wished and not just sworn at when presented as an idea.

    2. EW I would bet very good money that all the counselling in the world won’t cure a terminal illness. Don’t see the comparison myself.

  7. Defend Mike King as much as you like. I can’t. The figures speak for themselves.
    Around 40% of donations going to the ei cause. 60% getting sucked off by some nameless people enjoying the ride.
    My biggest gripe and it doesn’t only apply to Mike King, is people starting charities and turning them into a income making machine and then expecting Government to step in and fund them.
    Pisses me right off.
    This is just what has happened here.
    Charities are supposed to be run by people who care about their cause, not those who want to make a career of it.
    If they want money from government for a cause they should lobby the likes of the minister for mental health to get the money spent by the appropriate government department.
    You can’t tell me that the counsellors Mike King employs are sitting round waiting for him to call unless they can make more money from him than they can from government contracts or being in private practice. And yes he must be contracting them for a certain number of sessions regardless of whether they actually do these sessions.

    1. Uncle Tom Catch up with the bunch don’t lag behind. The charities are supposed to cover government’s unwillingness to apply social assistance from the tax dollars they get. Charities put government to one side which is where they want to be and turn problems into business opportunities. You have to get more cynical Uncle Tom.

  8. Thank you. Well considered, thoughtful factual discourse here – apart from the usual suspects.

  9. I do not know where you get your information from but anyone looking for mental health support has know of Mike for years.After J K was brave enough to say he had k inn the black dog Mike put another face on the problem .People came to see the celebrity and then stayed to hear the message. For some reason Labour ignored him and many others working in the mental health field.They talked a big game but it was not backed up .
    1737 has helped people I know but it is only as good as the people it can attract and unfortunately there are failures .

    1. Unfortunately the things that will fix mental health in this country, are things you oppose, which is why you want people fobbed off with a list of numbers to call.

  10. Mike King is not the solution to our mental health crisis.

    He’s an advocate but his charity has its limitations. The counsellors are not qualified professionals and you only get 2 sessions.

    It’s all about ego with him and he also didn’t go through the application process and didn’t even apply last time and kicked up a fuss.

    He also can be really nasty and his behaviour on treasure island was disgraceful.

    His charity also supports his conspiracy theorists sons podcast so I do not want $24 million going towards this and would prefer it be spent keeping doctors and nurses in the country.

  11. Nobody doubts that funding I am hope is a good thing. The issue is why this charity and not the many other Mental Health services and Charities that apply through the proper chanels and procurement processes for funding, Is it because Mike King is more high profile and vocal when he doesn’t get what he wants.
    You have to feel for those other services quietly doing the hard Mahi on limited funds without the recognition, obviously they didn’t have the spare change to donate to the Nat Party.

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