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  1. That’s right, I must have missed the part where the Nazi’s invaded Poland to offer them the same rights as citizens of the Motherland, protected their property rights in law and well had a treaty that was negotiated and participants allowed to choose freely to join or not.

    What a load of utter tripe that essay is.

  2. If we are all using our imagination let’s imagine a united and much more advanced ‘warlike’ Maori arriving off the coast of a stone-age Britain with sailing ships and muskets.

    Are we really to believe a few hundred years later that Maori would be falling all over themselves to avoid native offending native British sensibilities / arbitrarily removing Maori language from public spaces and replacing with native British / working through an extensive compensation process for the steadily increasing native British population for lands conquered hundreds of years ago?

    Or rather would we look to what happened to the Moriori and admit that it would be very unlikely that there would even be any of the native British population left . .

    1. Except DNA evidence and examination of tools and samples have pretty much debunked the whole myth that the Maori turned up and kicked out the Moriori. The folks on the Chathams have the same Polynesian make up, as in they the same people.

      1. There’s not much doubt that Moriori were Eastern Polynesian, racially and culturally very close to the Maori, Rarotongans and Tahitians etc. When Cook visited with his Tahitian aid Tupaia he could converse quite readily with the locals despite thousands of miles and many centuries of physical and cultural distance. Something that Cook found remarkable considering that many in Britain could barely understand folk from a hundred miles away.
        I think the man point is that ethnic similarity is no guarantee of peaceful coexistence as any study of history will reveal, and as the residents of the Chathams found out to their very great cost. Or as the brutal intertribal wars among pre treaty Maori show.
        People will always find away to other the other I guess.

    2. lol do you also believe that the British people are the lost tribes of Israel?

  3. Imagine what it is like for Maori. Great question.

    Despite all the wringing of hands over “colonisation” we don’t celebrate enough what all parties bring to our mix. Try a counterfactual past where a more exploitative and racially separatist culture took over, such as happened in Namibia or the Congo.

    We are lucky, from the start our genes mixed. It has taken a century for pakeha to relinquish a sense of cultural superiority, the ongoing Maori renaissance touches all cultures.

    I grew up in monocultural Chch in the 70s, we have progressed for the better. Job will never be complete but we are going to be a distinct Pacific blend of all our peoples, with the best of equal cultures.

  4. Cannibalism and Capitalism are two examples of the same thing – man consuming man to survive. While the latter may not do so with veges on the side, it nevertheless cannot function without some being poor so that others might prosper. OK, it might require imagination, but think about it – How is our system, requiring as it does that there be some who toil for survival wages, eat junk food and live in substandard housing, such that their life expectancy is markedly reduced, so they die sooner, not itself a form of cannibalism?

    1. What outcomes from this essay did you envisage alcolm? You may have a big heart but you have the capacity for crooked thinking as the rest of do. We need to be thinking along lines of helping each other now and not getting into a fug of hot air having arguments of aesthetics and principles, mine is better than yours. That’s for another place, another time.

      Now we need to have a clear objective of getting better leadership which we back, and avoiding wasted breath on those who don’t care too much about outcomes and the vulnerable, just argufying. Eventually all will be vulnerable or have to warp themselves so their mother wouldn’t recognise them, Quisling style. Already I have worked with supposed good people and find that they stray from the aims, methods and goals to sidepaths of their own. This seems a side path.

  5. A foolish and/or dishonest essay.
    Perhaps it would be worth imagining what life was like in pre European NZ and considering why Maori, for the most part, enthusiastically embraced their discovery of and integration with the wider world, upsetting and destabilising as it surely would have been. The life of the New Guinea Highlanders today is similar to what things would have been like I suspect.
    My ancestor Hongi Hika voyaged to Britain and met the King, imagine what he would have thought about the thriving metropolis of London, the wealth, the technology, the art and literature, the culture. A shock and revelation something akin to a visit from and advanced civilisation from outer space to us today perhaps. He was showered with gifts and attention. Though he was, and remained, a pagan, on the voyage home he helped translate the Bible but, to his great discredit, he sold off most of the gifts in Sydney and loaded up on muskets and ammunition and proceeded to wreak havoc and death throughout the upper North Island.

    Like I say, a foolish essay, lacking any sort of realistic perspective; the cultivation of a fantasy for political purposes.

  6. You’re missing the point guys, and no doubt I should have made it clearer, but all societies are predatory and ours is no exception. Just as our forbears were preyed on by the society they fled to come here, so they preyed on the society they found. With no knowledge of another way of living, we see no problem with maintaining a pool of poor so that there might be a pool of prosperous, so too did Maori think their society was the way things should be. If they had thought otherwise they would have hidden their cannibalism but they didn’t. And nor do we hide the dreadful toll our society takes on some, that some might prosper.

  7. The point was, that the old myth the Maori kicked out the first people to find NZ (supposedly the Moriori) has been debunked. For some it was a convenient excuse to justify taking Maori land.

    I am not trying to defend Maori inter- tribal fighting. I just find it laughable that some folks think despite a treaty being signed, the crown confiscating land after signing it is ok because the Maori had fought with each other in the past or had done bad things on the Chatham’s. Moral high ground, I think not.

    1. Here we go again agreeing this time on the history of this Island
      .I wonder who will be writing the history that is going to be taught in the school after next year. I went to one course I needed to attend as a volunteer. The Maori section was lead by a pakeha who made much of Capt Cook killing 4 Maori in his first contact but glossed over Te Rauparaha killing 700 as he came South for Utu .

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