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    1. Kyle Chapman is considerably more supportive of the rights of most people in New Zealand than anyone who would share a government with David Seymour is.

        1. Chapman isn’t my cup of tea, but if you think David Seymour is somehow a more honest character than Chapman is, you are a monster.

  1. “Salient points,” so Trotters analysis is correct?

    The last mass movement in NZ was the Springbok Tour protests. A very black white issue that did see participants from all walks of life including rugby players. If the greens focused only on the environment they could have a mass movement because the environment affects most things (except pronouns).

    “The upgrade in democratic infrastructure, 3 Waters”. It didn’t look like an upgrade in democracy. It looked like an expropriation of rate payer owned assets to Maori. It would have been better if the Maori King who says he owns the rain had simply demanded a royalty.

    1. FIFY – The upgrade in democratic infrastructure, 3 Waters”. It didn’t look like an upgrade in democracy. It looked like an expropriation of rate payer owned assets “BACK” to Maori

      1. Right, so Maori built all that physical infrastructure with their own capital and labour did they? Oh wait, no they didn’t.

  2. The Greens can organize a movement but it would need to be flushed away quickly to make room for the crap they talk.

  3. “We need Fair Pay Agreements to cover every worker”
    No we do not. Bureaucratic mess that will not help anyone.
    UBI is a far fairer and easier method to ensure everyone has the ability to prosper.

  4. Is Chris wrong though? Do the Greens even want my vote anymore? I don’t think they do.

    1. Really? So tell us, how many times have you voted for the Greens in the past?

  5. “Alt Right Folk Singer and NZ First apologist Chris Trotter” – oh larf out loud, I did

      1. Trotter lost his way for me over his “one nation” rhetoric and “free speech” wokeness

  6. Yes, we do need more democracy. Indeed any democracy at all would be a good start. We don’t need an unelected foreign monarch with extraordinary reserve powers as head of state. We don’t need security services which can dictate policy to “elected” governments.
    We need politicians who are accountable. Truly accountable, as in “the moment you betray those who elected you, those electors can sack you without ceremony”, not as in “stiff bikky, I’m here for another three years and there ain’t nothing you can do about it”.
    The very notion of someone “heading a mass movement” is profoundly anti-democratic. It implies that the person “at the head” can use the public to achieve a purpose of his or her own devising. That is not the function of a democratic leader. A rangatira is there to serve and represent the people. Not to use them towards his or her own ends, regardless of how well intended or altruistic those ends might be.

  7. ultimately the environment is a conservative issue – bring on the eco-facists

  8. Transforming green party bureaucrats into an ‘ecological mass movement’ isn’t a bad idea. Not at all …

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