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  1. Democracy is just so much harder when dealing with total f’ing idiots. There’s a big difference between disagreeing on a policy with someone as opposed to dealing with a flat earth nut job.

  2. I think it was on this site a few years ago, that Curwen Rolinson wrote an article warning that the alt-right/far right was in the process of taking over NZ First.

  3. Further interesting reporting coming out in the last few days on 5-Eyes potential role at US state request. No explicit NZ mention.

  4. It’s not just Lee Donoghue. Those of you on Twitter will know that Kirsten Murfitt is as equally crack pot with her obsession around vaccinations and the COVID-19 jab – she th. If you have followed Casey Costello, you will know that she raises some red flags around her past associations, particularly with Hobsons Pledge and links to the tobacco industry.

    And Shane Jones’ contemptible war on the environment is scary to watch.

    The whole party is nothing like the sane, moderate outfit that I left in 2017. It’s definitely moved to the right and I wonder how the people who remain in the party can honestly say Winston et al are in it for New Zealand.

    1. Hi Rob, this is a genuine question, what prompted the decision to step away from the party in 2017?

      1. Hi. Just saw this.

        At the time I was trying to get answers out of the Board of Directors about how they were going to help the northeast South Island electorate committees following the Kaikoura earthquake. No one wanted to answer. I complained to the Youth Wing whose then leader was Julian Paul and he told me was being disrespectful to the Board. There ensued a pile on and about five or six people told me to pull my head in or leave.

        But, I am centre-left and Shane Jones’ entry into the party angered a lot of people. He had no prior membership or contribution to the party that he could speak of, and there were many people more deserving of a chance to stand for Parliament than him. I could see even then that he was going to drag the party to the right, alienate the left-wing of the party and cause some grief.

        And he has done exactly that.

  5. Well, in fairness, the US intelligence services did conspire to invent the ‘Russiagate’ nonsense against Donald Trump, and to the extent that SIS- which is full of foreign traitors who love Americans- was involved, that’s as good a reason as any to shut them down.

    But Trump won’t actually do anything about this, just as he didn’t from 2016-2020. That marks Donaghue as a QAnon kook/conservative who should be stripped of citizenship and deported.

    1. “Well, in fairness, the US intelligence services did conspire to invent the ‘Russiagate’ nonsense against Donald Trump”

      That’s garbage. All inquiries have established legal and reasonable grounds for the investigations. Even the Mueller report identified significant attempts to establish co operative activities between the Trump campaign and Russians presenting themselves and operatives for their government.

  6. Winston always played the chaos card. It failed him against Jacinda, leaving him bitter and disillusioned – working with Shane Jones would do that to anybody.

    But he doubled down, and the internet trolls are still feeding antivax lies to the uncritical masses. Crazy works for NZF – and it’s Winston’s retirement plan.

    1. From a public health perspective, the 2021/22 mandates remain a sound call made on the existing data.

      1. If you dont count for the completely obvious unintended consequences… that we are now stuck with and far more harmful.

  7. But trans identifying males shouldn’t play in the women’s sports category even at community level. They can play in their own sex category or develop a transgender category. Anyone who thinks differently doesn’t give a dam about women and girls

  8. Isn’t NZ First the party that enabled Ardern? English had far more votes. NZ First were wonderful then when it was pragmatic rather than principled.

    1. NZF didn’t have any where near the number of f’wits it does today. It was funded by loads of tiny donations. This time around it was brought by one or two. At least Ardern told Peters to F off when it came to Shane Jones being Fisheries Minister.

  9. Q and the other conspiracy freaks are like a plague of mental illness zombies, eating away at the edges.

  10. Maybe Winston is always angry because he had to surround himself with people like this to get back in…

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