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  1. can’t disagree with any of that..

    ..the treachery of the greens to those who first got them into parliament is one of the great supporter betrayals of nz history..

    (almost on a par with rogernomics..)

    ..they now have the chance to redeem themselves..and it would make perfect political sense for them to go hard on cannabis…esp. if nobody else is..

    ..they could own that issue for the ’17 election..and if not why not..?..are they waiting for 100% support for the idea..?

    ..and i thought of a selling wrinkle that could work..

    ..argue for full legalisation/regulation/taxation..(the lrt-option..the saving taxpayers a half a billion a yr option a potent argument for that..some pissy halfway there med-pot only will not alter that annual cost..only legalisation will..

    ..and that selling point would be pledging a percentage of that revenue raised towards making new zealand predator-free..(25%..?..)

    ..who would not love that..?..tourists would love it…happy to pay..

    ..if the greens can’t sell that as the best way forward to an electorate where over 80% want prohibition to end..

    ..they should pack up and go home..

    ..and as for those two clowns who lead national and labour..key ‘doesn’t want to send a message’..but he is quite happy to promote/support the alcohol-swilling culture that really does so much harm to young people..he is quite relaxed about that..

    ..and little with his maude flanders impersonation – wringing his hands and going ‘won’t someone think of the children!’ is just bullshit on an stick..

    ..he cites dangers to young people from legalisation…yet legalisation would have age-restrictions like alcohol..whereas now it is open slather..

    ..every teenager now knows (or can quickly find out) where the local tinny-houses are..and they..as far as i can work out..have no age restrictions..

    ..but the real bone-headed part of littles’ argument is that he is currently supporting prohibition…which means those teenagers are buying pot from places that also sell ‘p’..

    ..now how seriously fucked up is that..?…on littles’ part..

    ..he supports a policy that costs the new zealand taxpayers a half a billion dollars a year…

    ..and he wants to retain a system whereby teenagers of any age can buy pot from places that also offer ‘p’ ‘specials’..

    ..and we currently have a ‘p’-epidemic..doh..!

    ..colorado..?…no ‘p’-epidemic..eh..?

    ..could andrew little be more fucken stupid..?

  2. Yes – I think that the Greens were more impressive back in the days of Nandos and Margaret than they are now.

    1. Naturally you would be…In-vino, especially since Chris has turned his poisoned pen towards the Greens…

      Chris like all of us knows that then Greens signed a MOU with Labour. This means considered thought rather than immediate reaction.

      Labour has made its so-called stand and the Greens will no doubt consider their position in due course.

      The Greens understand youth far more than the Nats or other right-wing nutters like Act.

      Key has said he won’t decriminalise cannabis because of the effect it might have on younger users…a normal PR line by the guy that can’t remember his stance on the rugby tour, or how he voted on lowering the legal drinking age but he gave the impression that maybe he would consider medical use, in some cases OK.

      Meanwhile many are jumping on the band wagon of Helen Kelly’s illness this was evident when Chris stated: “If not for the courage of reformers in Portugal and the United States, and of the heroism of Helen Kelly and all the other sufferers who have argued publicly for the medicinal use of cannabis to be legalised”…

      Helen Kelly is one of the bravest individuals I know and I’m sure that she will treat some of her self appointed new ‘friends’ in a deserving manner, I’m sure that she awaits the Greens response.

      I, as do many others hope that the Greens will respond in a considered fashion…I want to see cannabis legalised, for two reasons 1st it is logical in all respects, 2nd because the police will have the time to at long last catch a few house breakers for a change…

      1. @Peter Wheeler re ” it is logical in all respects”…”I, as do many others hope that the Greens will respond in a considered fashion”

        …when you have an elderly relative who has been in acute pain for some years (for which the medics can find no cause except perhaps a pinched nerve or arthritis of the back …and no cure)

        ….you will also find it is “compassionate” !!!

        …and it is most lacking in compassion to delay the response

        ( the Greens won’t be getting any more donations from me)

      2. “knows that then Greens signed a MOU with Labour.”

        Well ‘something’ did. But they didn’t have much chlorophyll.

        Even before that ‘lovely event in the rose garden’ – the Greens were doing very little about not much.

    2. +100…Greens ain’t what they idealistically once were…gone conservative and bureaucratic and cautious and authoritarian ( smug middle class comfortable)

  3. The cannabis issue is gaining momentum without the Greens bolstering the “wacky” image and thus reducing their credibility when it comes to the more important issues of climate change and inequality.

    As for turning up at schools to promote cannabis law reform FFS! This is an issue for use by adults. Plenty of other important issues to talk with teenagers about.

    1. so crokia..you would prefer teenagers just not discuss this subject –

      and would like them to continue buying pot from tinny-houses where they also peddle ‘p’..?..eh..?

      have you ever thought/heard of the concept/practice of ‘thinking on’..?

      ..why not try/start with this one..?

      1. Teenagers should definitely discuss, research and be informed about cannabis, but unless we have a planet with a liveable climate today’s teenagers are going to have a very bleak future. I don’t think the Green party should focus on cannabis + teenagers (as Chris Trotter demands)
        Mainstream NZers seem to end up adopting concepts the Greens introduce, eg recycling, electric cars. Cannabis reform will follow. Global temperature records are being broken month after month. If the Greens are visit schools with loudspeakers, they need to be talking about climate change not dope.

        1. If cannabis was legal, there would be a gigantic number of medicinal cannabis users who would suddenly have a lot more time for causes like climate change.

          No-one who is suffering and in pain right now will ever care more about what might happen to the climate in 50 years’ time.

          The Greens need to relearn some compassion and get behind cannabis law reform. As it is, it looks like they have sold out and now only support issues once someone else has made them fashionable.

          1. +100… yes totally agree “The Greens need to relearn some compassion and get behind cannabis law reform.”

            …and the Greens have delusions of grandeur if they think they are the only ones concerned or expert on global warming … and they are so important that they should concentrate on this one issue

            …or is this just an excuse for doing nothing and keeping their seats warm in a cushy parliamentary job

  4. Labour could take a lead on this issue but like always their middle class values trigger a fear response and they continue to look like national but with with red wallpaper. The public are screaming out for change. Gang drug distribution grows. Cancer patients miss out, growers get arrested…. nothing changes.

  5. Not sure how the greens can oppose soft drink but support cannabis

    [John/Dave, please use only one user-name on this forum. – ScarletMod]

    1. @ john..not quite sure how you are managing to join those dots..

      trying to set a new benchmark in comparing apples and oranges..?

      ..care to explain/expand..?

  6. High Chris maybe the new survaillance laws have scared most people off this top, whoops heavy knocking at the door , exit stage left POOF!!!

  7. These buggars are umming and aahing about decriminalising cannabis because it is the older, more conservative voter who holds sway. If any of them get a whiff that younger people are going to turn up en masse, they’d be changing their tune pdq.
    Meanwhile, let’s all demand a REEFERENDUM

    1. no..we don’t want to spend an interminable time with a bloody (non-binding) referendum…

      ..we already know the levels of support for change..

      ..a non-binding referendum would be a long useless waste of time/money..and will just extend the cruelties of/from prohibition..

      ..and with the person i know/help….who is in the advanced state of terminal cancer..and who is on enormous amounts of morphine..and yet for whom strong cannabis provides the best relief from her miseries of all..

      (i have seen tears of relief rolling down her cheeks as the strong pot has kicked in..nobody could see that and not be radicalised..not be demanding immediate change..)

      ..she needs/wants med-pot today/yesterday/tomorrow….

  8. The Greens are way too gentrified and careerist nowadays. They wouldn’t publicly touch cannabis with a ten-foot pole.

    Funny thing though, if they had the guts to do it, they would probably gain a huge amount of popularity.

    They seem to be on corse to merge with Labour though, just like the Alliance did.

    1. The cannabis debate will be settled without adding to the entrenched view of the Greens being “whacky- baccy , tree hugging, sandal wearing whale lovers”. I think Chris is being a bit disingenuous here as he has been want to do lately. The Greens policy is clear and I think they are wise to let the rest catch up.
      The Greens must hammer climate change and social justice to get their message across.

      1. @ garabaldi..

        at the last election russel norman made it quite clear that cannabis reform was not on any green party top 10 list of things to do…

        ..and since then i have heard no disavowals of this stance from the greens..(so ‘catch up’ with what exactly..?)

        ..in fact..as trotter also noted..the silences from the greens on this issue have never been less than resounding..

        ..i would love to know how many pro-reform press-releases the greens have done on this in past 10 yrs..

        i would be surprised if you could not count them on one hand..

        ..and this in a time when globally legalisation etc has been going gangbusters..

        (and in parliament no questions on the irrationality of pissing a half a billion dollars away each/every year…(source: treasury paper detailing costs/lost revenue from prohibition..)

        and it’s not bloody either/or…the greens can walk and chew gum at the same time..

        they can ‘hammer climate change and social justice’ – and argue against the insanities of prohibition at the same time..eh..?..

        and if the greens can’t see the vote-gathering potential of going hard on/owning ending prohibition..@ the ’17 election…in/at a time when 80%+ of the voters want reform..

        ..they clearly have the political nous of a sack of doorknobs..

        1. I love what you say Phil and I read Whoar religiously(sic ), but don’t underestimate the conservatism of NZ when it comes to drugs. I was in the Values party yonks ago and then the Greens and imo the issue of drugs has been a big problem in the perception of the greens. We were debating the issue of decriminalisation back in the seventies – what progress did we make other than being pilloried as a bunch of druggies ?

          1. chrs 4 the nice words about whoar..

            ..but the 70’s were the 70’s..

            ..and now is now..

            .and the greens need no longer tremble in fear at the mention of the word cannabis..

            ..that 80%+ support from tory voters for med-pot couldn’t be a clearer indication of how much this debate has moved on since then..

            ..and even tho’ i railed against it..the case could be made back then for caution..

            ..but not now..now they must be bold..

            ..the electorate is open to the message of change..they are just unsure what they want/how to get there..

            ..the greens coming forward with a cherry-picking of the best of what the overseas legalised regimes do – underpinned by a constant repetition of that message of half a billion dollars a year that will still be pissed up against the wall if we only go halfway – and do med-pot only..

            this is a potent/coherent message that will resonate with many…and will help their vote..

            b.t.w….’concerned reactionary’ of taumaranui will never vote for the greens….the greens should stop trying to be all things to all people…

            ..stop spreading themselves so thin…

            and they should/need to focus on their core..

            .and this issue is part of their ‘core’…given that historical debt owed – how can it not be..?

            ..and they should be zeroed in on the huge population bulge that is the millennials…(bigger than the boomers..)

            ..and unlike ‘concerned reactionary’ from taumaranui..i don’t think those millennials are scared by the prospect of sane laws around cannabis…

          2. ‘wont’ to do, Garibaldi, not ‘want’. We all want reform, by the sound. Bring back Nandos!

  9. The greens in their policy have somewhat suggested that they want to be the food police. Supporting cannabis is inconsistent with that policy. The Maori party was to ban smoking so that is also anti cannabis.Little Andrew wanted a referendum, but is now undecided.Key is the only one with the balls to state his position

    [John/Dave, please use only one user-name on this forum. – ScarletMod]

  10. The health benefits of cannabis outweigh any negativity arising from those who overindulge in everything. This link is for those with children with asthma.
    https://newsununity.com/2016/08/16/why-people-should-be-breathing-in-marjiuana-smoke-not-inhaler-fluid-to-prevent-asthma/
    Anything that has medical benefits is sequestered by Big Pharma and then their Monsanto scientists manipulate and twist what was natural and part of Mother Earth into some dangerous, addictive and ultimately harmful to humanity … and then of course this brings into play the poor old GPs who hand out expensive drugs that are dangerous, addictive and ultimately harmful to humanity. Bugger!
    Stand up and be counted Greens before we lose patience with you too.

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