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  1. You are going to flush all the rednecks out with this one, Bomber. I wouldnt be suprised if comments reach 300+.

  2. Great article Martyn. The neo liberals are loving the diversion away from serious scrutiny of how they’ve shafted this economy. The Left has been reduced from cogent class warriors to empty cheerleaders of fractious causes that are provoking a justified backlash. Can’t see the own goal as so blinded by their righteousness.

    I want to see some good discussion on the resurrection of some of the good policies of the 80’s, such as in-house provision of government services, like the MoW. Ah hang on, that would be like the current clique of govt. consultants voting for an early Xmas…

  3. The woke make crazy accusation they can’t back up. This is how they leverage there victim status for more rights. I’m saying that having boundaries is not transphobic.

    1. Eg Sam, see Millsy’s pay freeze comment. Totally made up. Or did I miss some policy announcement that National will freeze wages?

      1. ACT said they will freeze the minimum wage for 3 years. They also want to bring in user charges for our hospitals. That will financially break a lot of people. Having ACT in power will financially break a lot of people.

        1. Well you made Alan look a little inept Millsy, actually you brought out the feral right comments, yes Tui I’m talking about you.

          1. @NaSC:
            Lol I suppose anyone to the right of Lenin is a fascist in your book right?

            If I’m annoying the right for being progressive (in the 2nd wave sense) and annoying you being ‘feral right’ then I’m doing something right, I mean left.

          2. @NaSC it’s also deliciously ironic that you label me as ‘feral right’ on the same comments page where I speak admiringly of Theodor Adorno and Barbara Smith. I trust you realise that makes you look rather ‘inept’ to Squeaky?

  4. Yes.

    Unless…

    The Woke were preprogrammed BY the right?

    OMG! It’s another conspiracy!

    Quick! Someone please tell Dumb-Lives-Matter Inc they’re on the wrong side!

    Or is it the right side?

  5. So when the wokish left lose the election will it result in any change? or rather will it just give more space for the woke to double down on identity politics. It’s hard to imagine what trivial issue remains for the left to flagellate to be honest but I’m sure they think of something!

    Being of the left I fear the woke disease is highly resistant to killing and we could be locked out of power for a generation as a result. Given the social and economic issues that NZ faces it is tragedy that it has come to this.

    1. UpsideDown Agreed, any political failure is contextualised as evidence of just how terribly racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic etc society is because it is a belief system that discourages self-reflection and is certain of it’s own moral superiority. The likely outcome is to double down.

  6. Woke entitlement and money management in action, and woke don’t do transparency well, either.

    In the case of the Scottish SNP party which is leading the gender ID charge and immigration into Scotland, hundreds of thousands of pounds have disappeared and her CEO husband is alleged to have lent a six figure amount from the party, to his own employees to help ‘cash flow’ issues. Scotland has a major rental shortage and rents are going up, from rental changes which were very similar to NZ. https://espc.com/news/post/what-was-the-scottish-rental-market-like-in-q3-2022

    When you increase a population very quickly and not too choosy about who comes, without making sure you have the infrastructure already in place and the money to pay for social problems well above what you already spend on domestic need, (in particular if the chosen migrants have high and complex needs) then you create a housing problem and and inflation problem and a social problem and before, as history shows us, it becomes a financial crash when there are more people who need cash, that can work enough to create it or it can become a fractured place – especially when the minority takes over the majority.

    The benefits of immigration of refugees for example is mostly looking at after the 2nd world war, when it was a completely different scenario of horrific, sustained war crime where there was little chance of them returning to their home country, and without any social help in their new countries. The refugees were genuine and had huge survival skills, they worked hard in their new countries -compare that today with teens and families expecting a free house, education, free legal teams and buying questionable refugee status/protected status with a plane ticket. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/canada-suitcase-murder-mother-shocked-and-angry-that-daughters-killer-is-in-nz-and-fighting-to-stay-as-refugee/4WV4EYP5DRFHDC2WFTGX4FH2BY/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mall-terrorist-forged-medical-documents-boasted-about-duping-immigration-officials/P4TXIN7YOI2OENGEKTWRCV2AD4/

    NZ’s wokeforce have been so busy exploiting immigration loopholes and soap box lecturing on racism, fake scientists and third rate ‘experts’ not bothering to keep real data, (just make it up), that before NZ knows it, we don’t enough people to actually work a job that they are capable of doing, more experts who have local knowledge have left the country so nobody to lead them. Getting a person from another country to do a specialised job isn’t working out very well because countries they recruit from are often completely different in size and economy and the skills are not transferable at an expert level, as much as the woke and right wingers hope they are. They have been banking on this for nearly two decades but still can’t make it work.

    Changing your wokeforce to workers in areas that the help high needs (social work, translation, admin, consultant) but not actually creating anything that can be sold. NZ’s trade deficit forecast to be the worst among advanced economies. Worse than Greece. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nzs-trade-deficit-forecast-to-be-the-worst-among-advanced-economies/WCUBGIW2FRDEVIN2X2VMSE63WY/

    This is in spite of high immigration the previous year of 195%. Woke don’t care if the people coming in are going to be a burden on the state, they only want the numbers, I guess the stats people are busy playing privilege bingo, to actually do their job. NZ Immigration got outsourced a long time ago to some of the more corrupt countries in the world.

    1. Not only are the woke destroying the world, democracy and civil rights gains (aka against woman and cancelling minorities while pretending to represent them) aka

      “Instead of promoting creative new ideas, fairness and welcoming spaces, DEI departments have been hijacked by ideological extremists to enforce ideological compliance.” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11902095/DR-TABIA-LEE-fired-diversity-chief-Woke-extremists-taking-Americas-colleges.html

      Woke are incapable of any practical leadership, such as planning and executing food, housing, transport, education and health care. The always think that someone else will write a cheque – mostly because someone has, and that someone is just as likely to be Russian and Chinese money, or libertarian billionaire or taxpayers.

      Dispicably the woke have taken real experiences of hardship such as being a refugee, dawn raids or being poor, and then somehow given it to themselves for a group of mostly highly privilege individuals who appropriates real experiences and liken them to being about themselves.

      More and more con people and perps are getting safety and funding, by hiding behind or enabling these appropriated identities, they can continue to be above the law, as the woke justice lets them off again and again as they break the rules.

  7. All that rubbish above is exactly why I’ll never vote for the left again. Stuff them and their bullshit.

  8. Thanks for a tour-de force collection of counter productive, narcissistic often farcical so-called-activism emerging from modern woke while delineating between the activists, the thRED Guard on social media and the ‘communities’ (demographics) they claim to represent but are actually damaging internally and regressing mainstream support.

    “Economic Justice vs Social Justice”

    Modern Woke is NOT social justice. There are many good reasons for engaging in culture politics even (shock horror) from an identity based perspective (such as Women’s rights or Trans issues in the 1990s onwards) this doesn’t mean jettisoning the class analysis. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. The aim could be described as elevating a demographic to full status and participation in our society. This is firmly within progressive politics.

    Woke is ‘Critical’ Social Justice arising from (a misuse of) Critical Theory. It is fundamentally different, the antithesis of 2nd wave feminism and the Civil Rights era. It views society as multiple dimensions of identity based conflict and is doing its best to conjure those Ito reality or amplify existing faulty lines.

 It is a cuckoo in the progressive nest claiming to fight to elevate an identity group to full status and participation in society while simultaneously relegating that same identity to a demographic pigeon hole. If you are māori or trans or gay you must think in the ‘correct’ way, otherwise you are not a REAL member of ‘X’ identity, or worse an identity traitor!

    Adding to to the list of disrupting communities and burning allies, one of the Listener 7, Prof Garth Cooper (Ngāti Māhanga) has done more than most to support Māori students and youth into STEM over decades. 

You personal identity or substantial, enduring community support means nothing if you blaspheme against intersectionality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnn2aGVcCEc

    Identity is political leverage, victimhood is social status. The people they claim fight for are a battering ram and rhetorical human shield, what matters is not people, whether group or individual. What matters is propagating the ideology. As an entirely predictable side effect Woke is the main way that racist ideas, misogyny and homophobia are all being rehabilitated and trans acceptance regressed in mainstream society.

  9. Wokeness is just censorship by another name. It is a ruling-billionaire class concept designed to silence thee most threatening element to their dictates, namely, the power of the people. Given that the Left represents the people and the Right represents the individual, then it is easy to see which segment of the populace needs to be reigned in in order for the ruling class to get their polices passed through by their political minions, remembering of course, or in my view, that these policies are very, very anti-people.

    Covid was the starter, but climate will ramp their control over us even further and CBDC’s (Central Bank Digital Currencies) will be or demise! Its all in their plans, their plans are their for all to see, but wokeness and the like, means that most of us do not get to talk about their manipulations!!

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