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  1. “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

    Now obviously semi-auto assault rifles are not “essential liberty”, and I have zero issue with seeing them go. However, if this is seen as NZ’s “9/11 moment”, and we go Orwellian Surveillance State by empowering new and/or existing agencies with wide-reaching powers (i.e. the NZ equivalent of the TSA, NSA, Homeland security and the Patriot Act), I’m not on board whatsoever. This nutjob imo should be treated similar to how you deal with a serial killer: attempt to restrict his modus operandi (in this case assault rifles), and try and understand what drove him to do it in order to avoid/nip in the bud future “copy-cat” murderers.

  2. The irony of tge US NRA equating high powered firearms with “liberty” is about as farcical as one can get. Especually as the NRA is more a took of the US arms industry than actual gun owners. But the real specious nature of that argument can be demonstrated thst if gun ownership is a measure of liberty, then Afghanisran, Syria, and Iraq should be the freest nations on Earth

    Obviously theres a flaw in that argument

    As for the spy agencies needing more powers, I call bullshit on that. The whole GSCB debate a few years ago focused on theKey led govt extending the surveillance powers of the spooks. Thevlegislative changes went through and the GSCB is nowcable to spy on everyone in NZ, not just oversees

    They dont lack for powers. They just need to fucking well use them property and stop hassling leftists, mulsims and enviromentalisrs

    Selwyn, damn good blogpost

  3. 120 christians killed by Nigerian muslims in the last 3 weeks , where’s the uproar about that , everyone just needs to accept that sooner or later there will be conflict , Europe is already struggling with it , when will be a good time to talk about prob never but it seems it has comes to our shores earlier than anyone anticipated … strikes me as strange that both the police and the Muslim league were informed about wat was to happen yet no one thought to do anything , before aeverybody starts with knee jerk reaction why don’t we look at the checks and balances that were supposed to take place and maybe realise this could have been prevented in some way shap or form , not a far right believer or white supremacist just a kiwi concerned about mass migration which is affecting everything in our daily lives , traffic , housing , cost of living , its a frkn joke , if we can’t look after ythd people we have why would we bring new immigrants into the mix and have them bring their baggage with them , seems idiotic to me

    1. Plenty of uproar on the alt-right websites Breitbart and Christian Post where presumably you dredged up this bullshit.

      1. We have our own extreme-right writing right here in NZ, John G, and quite possibly influencing the marginalised and the susceptible.

        Here is part of a posting from Nelson’s Amy Brooke, available on
        http://www.100days.co.nz, and also apparently published in the Australian ‘Spectator’ 7/18, where anybody, including the mosque murderer, could have read it:

        “The bully boys and girls have gone too far”
        …..
        However, the threat to this country from radicalised Islam targeting, propagandising, recruiting, even virtually blackmailing its own people is very real. So New Zealanders have a right to know what steps the government is taking to safeguard this country – and to limit the intake from those from Islamic background.

        We should now be well aware, given what is happening right throughout Europe, and even in our closest neighbour, Australia, that when the numbers are sufficiently large, assimilation is replaced by virtual enclaves, or ghettoised settlements. Women and young girls continue to be sexually mutilated and basically enslaved by their male relatives, forced or brainwashed to wearing anachronistic, burdensome clothing, while Islam’s deep antagonism to Christianity and the West should make us very wary of our government’s apparent naivety – if not incompetence – in the face of its strident minority demands.”

        Seems to me that Brooke needs to be looking at her own competence here.

        The same website contains one of Brooke’s anti-Maori pieces entitled, “Racial bullying and identity politics are running amok in NZ” which also appeared in ‘The Spectator’, and is about how hard-done-by Pakeha are in NZ.

        Brooke seems to have a big hit list, which I don’t have the stomach to address. Some of it can be found in her book,’The 100 Days,’ published by – wait – ‘Howling at the Moon’ – and Ian Wishart has the only euology I noticed on http://www.100days.co.nz.

        Okay, I didn’t like Brooke saying that Jacinda Ardern has put her career before the interests of her baby – and it doesn’t help that Russell Brown referred to her as mad old Agnes-Mary Brooke on ‘Public Address’; my point is that when people like this publish inaccurate opinion pieces, then idiots may believe her and react in the only way that they know how, and see themselves as justified by her.

        It is grossly unfair to all who are unfairly maligned, and may even endanger them.

        Free speech ok ? From what I could see, Brooke has dismissed responders to her Maori stuff as brain-washed; I’ve not looked at her twits or Facebook, and don’t intend to.

        She’s quite clever – yep there are good Maori- good Muslims etc to show that she’s not prejudiced – then whoop – she’s off.

        1. Speaking to myself – off the top of my head – I think that the Koran – which I have – refers to Mary the mother of Jesus more than the New Testament does, and it highly respects both of them – Jesus as a prophet. Historically, Islam has not been deeply antagonistic to Christianity as Brooke says- wars and skirmishes excepting.

          There’s a huge and fascinating history, but the three religions of the book have often co-existed in harmony with each other for lengthy periods.

          Female Genital Mutilation predates Islam,is not a procedure required by Islam, and it is not mentioned in the Koran.

          It originated in Nth East Africa, is largely linked to ethnicity, and is still practised by Christian communities in Africa.

          If Amy Brooke is implying that FGM is an exclusively Muslim practice or requirement to try to discredit Islam, then she’s either dishonest or ignorant or both – and needs to pull her socks up.

          (Apologies for the socks instruction, but this lady seems partial to cliches and jargon and I should have correctly said that Mrs Brooke needs to pull up her socks.)

          1. Snow White: “…I should have correctly said that Mrs Brooke needs to pull up her socks.)”

            Heh! Indeed. Mrs Brooke would laud your correct grammar, I’m sure.

            Anent Mrs Brooke: on that website, she praises Switzerland’s model of democracy. But: she fails to mention that Swiss women didn’t get the right to vote in federal elections until 1971. And one canton was a holdout until 1991 on women getting to vote on local issues. Well now: isn’t that an inspiring example to women everywhere! On the other hand, NZ women got the vote in…. oh…. 1893. Including Maori women.

        2. Snow White: “Here is part of a posting from Nelson’s Amy Brooke…”

          I remember her from our ChCh days; at that time, she was known as Agnes-Mary Brooke. My impression then was that she wasn’t in the first flush of youth; wouldn’t she be closer to 90 than 80 by now? When I first heard about Amy Brooke, I assumed that she was A-M’s daughter. But no.

          It was a long time ago, but if I remember rightly, she had a column (possibly syndicated) in the Press. She was given to pontificating about the pronunciation of English and proper use of grammar. She was wrong, of course: languages don’t work the way she evidently thought that they ought to work. Even English… So: her views were normative. On that issue, she certainly got up sundry noses of my acquaintance.

          With regard to the identity politics issue, her claims about contemporary biculturalism at the university of Canterbury have some basis in fact. We’ve heard the same thing from other sources, and the BA course requirements suggest something akin to what she asserts.

          However. She now occupies the dusty far corners of the internet. I doubt that many far-right types – especially the young – have even heard of her. The young don’t read newspapers, I’ve noticed. Even if she’s had her stuff published in overseas outlets, she’d have little influence, I’d have thought.

          Sometime in the late 90s or early noughties, she vanished. I assume that newspapers and the like stopped accepting her stuff for publication. The last thing I remember hearing about her was a combative interview with Kim Hill on Nine to Noon. It was hilarious for all the wrong reasons; I believe that she complained to the BSA about it.

          I recall nothing after that. It may be that I just stopped reading her opinions in the newspaper; it was a long time ago, life is busy, I’m old and my brain is full. That’s my excuse, in any event.

          1. Amy Brooke’s 80, D’Esterre, and not one to be crossed; started off as Agnes-Mary Mora,taught a few years at a private girls’ school, in Dunedin,and according to her late mother, has not really been out in the workforce since, lives in the countryside with her medical practitioner spouse.

            Frank Haden said he used to sub her Dominion column before she fell out with editor Richard Long. She has written children’s books which I gather she publishes herself as she says that she is black-listed in NZ.

            I was alerted to her Spectator columns by an Australian ex-colleague who suffered the misfortune of being traumatised by her, although right-wing himself.

            When reading her alt-right columns this week, I read some of her anti-gay writings and wanted to puke –
            descriptions of homosexual pleasuring techniques, at least one of which and perhaps all are also heterosexual- and perhaps obsessive.

            The book “The 100 Days’, is a heavy mish-mash, and seems to be old newspaper columns and grievances dating back over 40 years, including at a Plunket nurse for telling her to give a baby orange juice after a breast feed.

            I think she errs, quote: ” I…was warned by Plunket (at a time when government claimed a “right”
            to enter every home to assess parental management”.)

            It would astonish me if the NZ government claimed this right to enter people’s homes in the late 1960’s.

            I will not quote Brooke re Plunket’s role in cot deaths, I will not even comment on it. The book is non-indexed, and contains inflammatory non-referenced assertions on Treaty and Maori issues.

            Does it matter ? Yes, if Maori read this and think
            that’s what Pakeha are thinking and saying, and believing – straight-out accusations of dishonesty should always be substantiated

            Few would read the book through – I picked it up at the Sallies.

            I have long thought Brooke a megalomaniac.

    2. Well, I guess if we don’t go and engage with the alt.right, the alt.right will come to us to engage.

      Perhaps, Pablo, if Britain and France had kept out of the Middle East, you wouldn’t have something to complain about now? Do remember that Britain and France carved up much of the Middle East after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

      And then there’s the United States interference in Iran, Egypt, etc…

      When is the last time Saudi Arabia or Iran tried regime change in the US?

    3. Besides which, Pablo, I recall the West being horrified when the 200 school girls were abducted by Bolo Haram. Where were you then?

      Your”whataboutism” isn’t about pointing out an atrocity. It’s about minimising reputational damage to the alt.right cause.

      Not a snowball in hell chance of that working.

  4. As for the spy agencies needing more powers, I call bullshit on that. The whole GSCB debate a few years ago focused on the Key led govt extending the surveillance powers of the spooks. The legislative changes went through and the GSCB is now able to spy on everyone in NZ, not just overseas. Totally agree MJOLNIR,

    1. No one I know would agree that any of New Zealand’s response to a terror attack on NZ soil could be characterised as “instability.”

  5. The upgraded GCSB and SIS Powers did the country f&%k all good with this latest debarcale.

    I have little faith in NZ Intelligence Services or the NZ Police to do their jobs properly going on past experiences and outcomes ?

    1. Neither do Māori walk around in piupiu, nor do pakeha walk around in malitia fatigues. It’s now time to live and let live.

      It’s unfortunate it’s taken such tragic events to totally reorient New Zealand’s entire national security stance from the past, of pushing brown people off of productive land up into hills and protecting the commercial colonial houses. But we can’t gaze hard in the rear view mirror, shove the stick hard in reverse and drive as fast as we can backwards into a Serco economy.

        1. That assumes that a National Party Leader will be able to Defeat Jacinda in a head to head election for party vote before Jacinda turns 48.

    2. If it wasn’t for the police, the shooter wouldn’t have been stopped so quickly. They acted decisively and effectively.

      Of course the GCSB is another matter entirely.

      1. Toni: “If it wasn’t for the police, the shooter wouldn’t have been stopped so quickly. They acted decisively and effectively.”

        That they did. It was an impressive demonstration of courage and speedy action.

        “Of course the GCSB is another matter entirely.”

        Yup. Too busy chasing Huawei chimeras to see who was hiding in plain sight.

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