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    1. Very naive to claim that Scotland will benefit. Look into what Climate Scientists are predicting before making simplistic assumptions. Especially the effects of the loss of the Humboldt Current. Ironically, Scotland is likey to become colder, not warmer.

        1. True – a mistake anyone could have made..(!) The point is that global warming could well cause both currents to die, making Scotland far colder than it is now. That is far more than jonesy seems to be aware of.

  1. Business profits before peoples health about sums it up. Neo Liberalism rules. The end.
    Jacinda’s magic is gone, she is just another neo liberal politician fucking over the people. The kindness went out the window with L4, the rest is a smokescreen. There will be no more kindness just more neo liberal economics as we all get back to “normal”. The “righties” will delight in the “I told you so” and so it proved.
    Enjoy all you righties you got your way over one of the best PM’s we used to have. Covid will now take over NZ and not only wreck peoples lives with sickness and death but the economy will also get sick. What a mess, we are joining the other clusterfuck countries around the world and we will probably be worse as well.
    Fuck the Politicians and their greedy business masters.

    1. GreenBus – What magic ? After Nat’s dirty shadows were swept out, anything was going to look magic, including words about kindness and hungering kiddies. We needed a breathing space – cute pr – that was it really. Most of us did pull our weight virus -wise. It is not our fault that government let us down again, thinking that we’re all too stupid to notice. The Nat scenario would have been worse – sooner

  2. To SOLELY blame business interest pressure that resulted in the lowering of the alert levels in Auckland is wrong. It was people pressure that led to the reduction.

    People are over lock down’s. They don’t work in regards mental and physical health. They don’t work in maintaining a cohesive social infrastructure. They don’t work in providing education. They don’t work in providing non covid health care. They dont work in putting disposable income in the workers pocket. They don’t work at anything but totalitarianism.

    Yes there was self interest business pressure (especially around the MIQ mandates) to keep business afloat.

    The state also knows that to keep the taxation (including GST) income flowing requires business to function. No, state servants don’t pay taxes (except GST) so increasing state servants (or business beneficiaries through subsidies) will, sooner or later, result in the state itself having to open up New Zealand. Just to gain revenue to enable core functions. One cannot borrow for ever more by stifling trade (even farmers markets are verboten) within a community.

    The community decided lock downs are no longer viable. The state can pretend to lock down but the community is generally ignoring the rules. Anarchy lives. Or as someone said. Better to die of covid standing up face to the sun, than live on a bend knee facing the dirt.

    The state has lost the people.

  3. If we’re going to open up and let C-19 rip through our community, stop the block on human Ivermectin and watch the results. What have they to lose, except saving life’s whilst opening up the country.
    Check out India, Mexico, Zimbabwe, South America, half of Africa. The parts of those countries using Ivermectin have a HUGE benefit to those not. Links available if the censor on here every allows.
    I guess werever Big Pharma has little control, as it wasn’t worth it previously, the people are doing infinitley better than us in the ‘western controlled-world’.

  4. I agree the TVNZ chart shows it all. It shows that the case numbers plateaued from early September somewhere around the 15-20 per day and didn’t really budge from that over the next 2-3 weeks. Sure there were single digit case number days in that period, but there were also days over 20. The average daily cases were barely trending down at all. Point being, it would have taken many many more weeks – probably months – at level 4 to have any chance at eliminating. And I’m sorry to have to tell Pat, but people weren’t going to stay in level 4 for that long. Imagine we spent 2 months or longer at level 4 and eliminated, then 3 weeks later another case broke through the border. Would we do the whole thing again? Its time for people to realise we’re on to a new stage in our fight against covid. It was inevitable we would find ourselves here, but that doesn’t mean we’ve failed. Measured against the rest of the world, we’re still doing really bloody well despite what some in the media/opposition would tell us.

    1. “Measured against the rest of the world, we’re still doing really bloody well despite what some in the media/opposition would tell us.”

      You wait till the shit hits the fan. It’s not too hard to see what is going to happen. The Govt’s own medical experts and others know what’s coming, advised against, and were shut down. This is the politics of slimeball business lobbying. The Gov’t has given up looking after the people and now is sucking up to vested interest. Vaccinate and repel all borders. Jacinda is yellow right thru and is faking sincerity. When Aucklanders break out of Level 3 restrictions the virus spread will overwhelm contact tracers in the first week and then it will be “let it rip” from Jacinda. I’m picking she won’t handle it and resign.

    2. Brad Cooke October 28, 2021 at 9:48 am

      I agree the TVNZ chart shows it all. It shows that the case numbers plateaued from early September somewhere around the 15-20 per day and didn’t really budge from that over the next 2-3 weeks. Sure there were single digit case number days in that period, but there were also days over 20. The average daily cases were barely trending down at all. Point being, it would have taken many many more weeks – probably months – at level 4 to have any chance at eliminating….

      Hi Brad,
      Yes the graph goes up and down. So what? Each peak is lower than the last peak, this is the important measure, indicating the downward trend toward zero cases, though slowing, was still continuing.

      But this is not a post about covid elimination as such, this is a a post detailing the evidence that this government caved in to pressure from business.

      Brad, you are right in pointing out, that after the precipitous drop from 83 cases a day, there was a two week period where even though the peaks were still going down, they weren’t dropping at the same rate as they had been, (and should have continued to). The modelers and health experts referred to this slower decline to zero as ‘The Tail’. Suzy Wiles and the Prime Minister in public statements clearly identified the cause of this lingering ‘tail’ as business and worksites still operating under Level 4. The Prime Minister said if  she needed to “tighten up restrictions” on these worksites, she would. But then went back on her word, after what Herald property editor Anna Gibson, called an “outcry” from business.

      This is where the rot started to set in.

      The Prime Minister had also said that the government would not lower the L4 lockdown in Auckland until the country could be sure that there was no unidentified community transmission. Under pressure from business the Prime Minister went back on her word on this assurance as well.

      What this indicates is that when Prime Minister Ardern said, “Climate change is my generation’s nuclear free moment”, what she meant  is, if it is alright with business.

      Even during lockdown highest Level L4 coal mining and coal importing were given essential status. When the most dangerous fossil fuel of all is considered by the goverment and business to be essential then you kniow that there will be no serious moves to curtail it.

      Especially if there is the sort of “outcry” from business that made the Prime Minister go back on her word to “tighten” restrictions on business during the L4 Lockdown.

       As Greta Thunberg pointed out, there is lots of “Blah, Blah, Blah”, about being carbon neutral by 2050 but the restrictions on business needed to cut fossil fuel emissions in the present are not happening.

      Just as the Prime Minister’s proposed restrictions on business needed to cut transmission of the virus under Level 4 never happened,

      For all there talk about being carbon neutral by 2050 this government approved an expansion of coal mining onto Crown owned land in Huntly. As well as supervising a large increase in coal imports.

      You pointed out Brad, “Measured against the rest of the world, we’re still doing really bloody well….”  Measured against Tasmania or Taiwan we are doing poorly. But generally I agree with you, we were doing well against covid because of the hard level 4 lockdown. The health experts and pandemic modelers didn’t ask for months of Lockdown to achieve elimination. That is just your spin. But your spin has no basis in fact. The public health experts and scientists asked for one, maybe two more weeks at most of L4. But their calls were ignored, the calls of business to end the lockdown, were the calls the government listened to.

      Maybe elimination could have been achieved in that extra two weeks, maybe it couldn’t. We will never know. But what we do know is that the L4 Lockdown was called off early against the advice of the health experts because of pressure from business.

      It was then that the Prime Minister started going back on her word and the government and media lying blaming marginalised communities and rule breakers 

      We can take from this, that the government will not take any measures to quell climate change it it negatively affects business.

      And if you think covid-19 is bad, wait to the full effects of climate change start to kick in. Based on current trends of increasing green house gas emissions, climate change  will be even more deadly and destructive than the pandemic.

  5. I’m tired of seeing articles like this, that patronize and talk-down to the common people, as if they don’t know their own minds, as if we were being led by our noses and not following our own hearts, as if we’d be happier in a cage … as if we’d read this Pied-Piper polemic and suddenly the scales would fall from our eyes, and we’d all cheer and crawl back into our dark holes just to stick it to The Man and give these pious busybodies some warm fuzzies as the bourgie meanies crumbled into dust.

    You don’t speak for us, you don’t tell us what to do. We’re not acceptable casualties or collateral damage in this ideological slapfight. I don’t care who’s talking – we’re human beings, not pawns. One of the few things I’ll truly commend Labour for in this fiasco is clearly recognizing when they needed to just let the tail wag the dog a bit – it definitely bought them time without having to crack skulls over it.

    Put your ears to the street and listen – the sound is a deafeningly booming ‘NO’. Maori/polynesian, pakeha, asian, rich, poor – all agree, so be quiet and count your blessings that we bought enough time for NZ to vaccinate. One of the stranger things to come of all this is Crusher looking for the first time in her life as if she’s got her finger on the pulse of the people when she said she wouldn’t tell Aucklanders to ‘be kind’, because ‘somebody will probably throw something’.

    1. He speaks for me. He got it spot on too.

      You can “follow your heart”, it’s no skin off my nose as long as you don’t come near me or those I value. I prefer to follow my head, and the evidence and conclusions of scientific consideration.

      “We’re not acceptable casualties or collateral damage in this ideological slapfight.”

      It seems that you are doing your best to argue that you wish to allowed to be exactly that: collateral damage.

  6. Or more realistically, elimination can’t work. Vaccination for the inevitable spread is the only strategy. It’s not just about business interests.

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