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  1. Paul Goldsmith wants to ban real New Zealanders from saying “It’s great that the Yemeni government is taking action to stop the zionists murdering Palestinians” or “Thank God Hamas is killing the filthy butchers who rape and kill little Palestinian kids for fun”. I wonder why?

  2. Terrorism never sleeps, and neither do we. Freedom and democracy need protecting.

    1. Fascism never sleeps – freedom and democracy need protecting from the likes of R Smith

      1. Probably more productive to take action against the actual American-loving traitors who make up the GCSB and SIS rather than cranks pretending to be them on a left-wing blog.

  3. State support for genocide in foreign lands, necessitates State repression in the homeland.

    1. Great line, and I’ll suggest that a State that supports genocide elsewhere is a State that will commit genocide at home, on its own people too!

  4. Next thing you known local government or universities will be preventing people from speaking at events because there might be the “chance of violence”

    Oh, wait …

    But I guess we don’t care about that

    1. I wonder if you are understanding what you Observer have been perceiving. Is it wrong because it is different to your feelings and reactions? Perhaps you are wrong and it is time to view things differently.

      Was your comment referring to the case of an entity refusing to talk on a matter that went against all the co-operative and community-building matters of the nation that had been under discussion for result for decades and regarded as fair, after a century or so of disobedience. The speech I think of was likely to undermine or be hostile to those lengthy efforts and be provocative, and demean the people requesting respectful, better laws. It was wished to prevent more unreasoning prejudice.

      I think stopping the speech was a move showing reason and fairness. And raises the question of the shallow thinking that ‘free speech’ must be acceptable instead of laws to prevent derogation or hostility to others who may be putting others to some trouble because some wrong law is being righted. It could be that a way of small compensation in return for loss of some useful advantage might well be made by ruling authorities. Socially, on the one hand laws should prevent unruly and antisocial behaviour to others but limit the extreme of laws that encourage people with negative feelings to complain of imagined wrongs and punish people excessively, (eg in UK*).
      It comes under the heading of ‘manners’ really, which if reasonably passed on from adults to children, would prevent this extreme pendulum swing in mores that spoils relations more than the original animosity.

      Is it time to stop heaping criticism and/or derision on people trying to make changes. They may be wrong, fully and obviously, but then may only be partly wrong, or the action or assertion shows that there is something stirring people. Reasonable people might decide that some improvement in line with what is demanded by the petitioners, should be considered. That is the wiser, mature way of reacting surely. We haven’t found a sensible way to process the POV though with thousands of submissions, which could be tabulated, made more concise, prioritised and with some yes/no responses available to some model answers.

      *Note I am sorry to bring this awful and unreasonable UK legislation to notice but this new way of withdrawing democracy and replacing it with punitive laws and fines, and unreasonable jail time, should register clearly. It is just a return to times of the Tolpuddle Martyrs attitudes without colonies to get rid of the problem to.??

      *(UK ABOs Anti-Social Behaviour Orders – 2.37m
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoXoLrLnvA
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      An ethnographic multi-order and notice analysis of the …
      Taylor & Francis Online: Peer-reviewed Journals
      https://www.tandfonline.com › doi › full
      The most frequently known and now repealed CPON in England and Wales is the Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO), which the New Labour government (1997-2010) …
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      Punishments for antisocial behaviour
      GOV.UK
      https://www.gov.uk › … › Courts, tribunals and appeals
      You can get a civil injunction, Community Protection Notice ( CPN ) or Criminal Behaviour Order ( CBO ) as punishment for antisocial behaviour.

      Civil injunctions, CPNs and CBOs replaced Antisocial Behaviour Orders (ASBOs) in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. ASBOs are still used in Scotland.
      Antisocial behaviour includes:
      drunken or threatening behaviour
      vandalism and graffiti
      playing loud music at night

      A court may give you a civil injunction or a CPN (Community Protection Notice) if it gets reports of persistent antisocial behaviour from the police, a council or a landlord. You can only get a CBO (Criminal Behaviour Order) if you’ve been convicted of a crime.

      You can get a civil injunction or CBO if you’re 10 or over and a CPN if you’re 16 or over.
      [Further – it says that this can go on for ever if you are over 18, and sounds a shocking opportunity for control and blackmailing a person, family or group.]

      There’s no maximum amount of time if you’re 18 or over. If you have a CBO it’ll be reviewed every year and either stopped or extended.
      If you don’t follow the rules –
      The punishment for not following your civil injunction is:
      a 3 month detention order if you’re under 18
      up to 2 years’ imprisonment or unlimited fine if you’re 18 or over

      The punishment for not following your CPN is a fine between £100 and £2,500.
      The punishment for not following your CBO is:
      up to 2 years in a detention centre if you’re under 18
      up to 5 years in prison or an unlimited fine (or both) if you’re 18 or over
      https://www.gov.uk/civil-injunctions-criminal-behaviour-orders
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      Independent Working Group on Antisocial Behaviour
      The Scottish Government
      https://www.gov.scot › publications › pages
      25 Feb 2025 — Review of antisocial behaviour with recommendations for strategic and sustainable cross-cutting approaches focusing on prevention and early intervention …
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      Antisocial Behaviour etc. (Scotland) Act 2004: Guidance on …
      The Scottish Government
      https://www.gov.scot › publications › antisocial-behavi…
      28 Oct 2004 — ASBOs are civil orders that exist to protect the public from behaviour that causes or is likely to cause alarm or distress. An order contains …

  5. Why would Jews wish to repeat Nazi terror and disgrace after suffering themselves so much. Continue that it seems mad.
    I have been reading about Django Reinhardt, great gypsy guitarist . Only a strong mental attitude and determination to follow his music kept Reinhardt going. That is what is needed to survive now. Have we got his tensile strength? He survived so much including the killings of gypsies in WW2. On outbreak of WW2 he was in UK but returned to France. The Nazis and Germans had taken to jazz and life was up and down literally for musicians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_Reinhardt
    …in 2 November 1928, Reinhardt was going to bed in the wagon that he and his wife shared in the caravan. He knocked over a candle, which ignited the extremely flammable celluloid that his wife used to make artificial flowers…. The couple escaped, but Reinhardt suffered extensive burns over half his body.[19] During his 18-month hospitalization… doctors recommended amputation of his badly damaged right leg.
    More crucial to his music, the fourth and fifth fingers (ring and little fingers) of Reinhardt’s left hand were badly burned…Reinhardt retaught himself to play using primarily the index and middle fingers of his left hand, using the two injured fingers only for chord work.,,,Reinhardt retaught himself to play using primarily the index and middle fingers of his left hand, using the two injured fingers only for chord work…
    From 1934 until the outbreak of World War II in 1939, Reinhardt and Grappelli worked together as the principal soloists of their newly formed quintet, the Quintette du Hot Club de France, in Paris.

    Beginning in 1933, all German Romani were barred from living in cities, herded into settlement camps, and routinely sterilized. Romani men were required to wear a brown Gypsy ID triangle sewn at chest level on their clothing,[7]: 168  similar to the pink triangle that homosexuals wore, and much like the yellow Star of David that Jews had to subsequently wear.[29] During the war, Romani were systematically killed in concentration camps.[7]: 169  In France, they were used as slave labour on farms and in factories.[7]: 169  During the Holocaust an estimated 600,000 to 1.5 million Romani throughout Europe were killed.[7]: 154 

    Hitler and Joseph Goebbels viewed jazz as un-German counterculture.[7]: 154 [30] Nonetheless, Goebbels stopped short of a complete ban on jazz, which now had many fans in Germany and elsewhere.[7]: 157  Official policy towards jazz was much less strict in occupied France, according to author Andy Fry, with jazz music frequently played on both Radio France, the official station of Vichy France, and Radio Paris, which was controlled by the Germans. A new generation of French jazz enthusiasts, the Zazous, had arisen…

    1943 – At that time the tide of war turned against the Germans, with a considerable darkening of the situation in Paris. Severe rationing was in place, and members of Reinhardt’s circle were being captured by the Nazis or joining the resistance.
    Reinhardt’s first attempt at escape from Occupied France led to capture. Fortunately for him, a jazz-loving German, Luftwaffe officer Dietrich Schulz-Köhn [de], allowed him to return to Paris.[31] Reinhardt made a second attempt a few days later, but was stopped in the middle of the night by Swiss border guards, who forced him to return to Paris again….
    After the war, Reinhardt rejoined Grappelli in the UK. In the autumn of 1946, he made his first tour in the United States… He had been promised jobs in California, but they failed to develop. Tired of waiting, Reinhardt returned to France in February 1947…
    After his return, Reinhardt appeared to find it difficult to adjust…
    In Rome in 1949, Reinhardt recruited three Italian jazz players (on bass, piano, and snare drum) and recorded over 60 tunes in an Italian studio. He united with Grappelli, and used his acoustic Selmer-Maccaferri. The recording was issued for the first time in the late 1950s.[37]…
    On 16 May 1953, while walking home from Fontainebleau–Avon station after playing in a Paris club, he collapsed outside his house from a brain hemorrhage.[16]: 160  It was a Saturday, and it took a full day for a doctor to arrive.[16]: 161  Reinhardt was declared dead on arrival at the hospital in Fontainebleau, at the age of 43. ..

    The best people of those days were killed off in WW2 it seems. We have been unable to rise to their levels of value and social community after recovering from the greatcataclysm.

  6. Interesting line up. 15 comments
    4 Jacqueline plus 4 Nathan, AnnE, Observer R Smith (new)
    equals 8 fixed right views, screws that could never be loosened it seems.

    It is so hard to thoughtfully discuss and disclose the various measures that our societies are using to suppress people who need some fairness and freedom to to be part of a fair human society. But in a world which has been called democratic and yet has enabled people with huge fortunes to madly keep on scooping up anything that has value to them, it is too much to expect that there won’t be hangers on at the lower end as well as close to the huge money pile.

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