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  1. Labour might win this election due to Ardern’s personality, but where does that leave the left?
    Another third-way Labour government will do nothing to address the root causes of our social ills. They will manage them better than National, until National come back in and strip it away.
    It’s sad that social democracy is still considered radical today. Labour’s popularity since Ardern took over is disheartening – it will be nice to see National out, but what’s the point if it’s more of the same from the red team?

    1. Very strange comments. So you want National to get back in to continue distroying Nz? Shouldn’t we be going for broke to change the government.

  2. Jenny May

    You are so correct. Most of those who comment on here want to be radical lefties- and in the process make sure that National continue to govern us forever.

    The problem is the Lefties never do anything. They just whinge and moan and complain about Labour.

    I think the Blog itself will have to decide whether it just wants to be a useless wailing wall – or a rallying post for people who have Democracy and Fairness at Heart. Namely Labour.

    The Standard Blog suffers the same disease. Lefties on the whinge. Never doing anything just spewing out yards and yards of crap – rubbishing Labour.

    Surely we can do better ! Can’t we ?

    1. I have to say that I agree with every point Lizzie Cook made and personally I believe her point is in fact the same as yours, surely we can do better, can’t we?

    2. Observer Tokoroa – do you remember traitorous Douglas, Prebble, Dunne and the rest of the mob? Don’t tell me they were focussed on democracy and fairness of heart. They destroyed this country, and those still in the party don’t seem to be wanting any changes. We can do better but not with Labour at the helm. Go the Greens.

  3. Lizzy,
    have a dose of realpolitik.
    Jacinda was never going to win an argument about the right of beneficiaries to game a punitive system, even if those more familiar with the experience understand the push-pulls involved.

    It was time to cut bait. This she did. The whole system needs to be refor,ed into the “Helping” agency it was meant to be, most on the Left get that. But first you have an election to win.

    Insight and discipline. When power is near to hand, both are needed, even if they are of little value when power is a distant pipe dream.

    1. To Maama

      I agree that Sir Roger Douglas, Mr Dunne and other weak minds were responsible for shocking policy.

      But these people were doing their horrible work back in the 1980s Maama.

      The only people keeping all that alive is the Media. Every time you go back to the 1980s you make it hard for the Greens.

      Get with the here and now. The Greens are good. So is modern Labour.

  4. If Labour wanted to prove itself better than National, they had nine years in government in do so. We don’t have to go back to the 1980s to see how awful Labour is. Clark’s government ran year after year after year of budget surpluses and never increased welfare benefits.

    Clark said paid parental leave would be intorduced over “my dead body” – she only ended up being forced to go along with it because it was part of the price the Alliance managed to extract.

    That government gave us the 2007 ‘terror raids’ and Labour’s attempt to frame up 17 activists; even Ross Meurant, the former head of the police Red Squad from the 1981 Springbok tour, said it was a stitch up.

    Clark enthusiastically joined in the invasion of Afghanistan and then sent NZ armed forces to help i nthe occupation of Iraq just in time for the deadline for NZ companies to bid on “reconstruction work”.

    That Labour government spent a *smaller* percentage of GDP on health and education than the current National government. The current National government raised social welfare benefits, expanded free doctors’ visits for children and, while Key was PM they kept the retirement age at 65 while Labour bayed to make workers work more years of their lives.

    More recently, Labour has been the more xenophobic/anti-immigrant of the two main parties.

    The notion that Labour is somehow ‘left’ and so much better than National doesn’t hold up to even the basic scrutiny. It is one of those strnage things that ‘the faithful’ believe – like the virgin birth and water changing into wine. It bears no relation to reality.

    Meanwhile, here’s a critical history of Labour up til the end of the last Labour government: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/the-truth-about-labour-a-bosses-party/

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