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  1. Love (sarcasm) how so many recent politically motivated cases seem to be trying to try and link themselves to NZ historic events such as Springbok and Dawn Raids…

    We have Greenwashing, now Racewashing to help the pretenders…

    The polls seem to show that Labour giving in to the protesters, lost ground in the polls…

    Likewise their woke fart, power grab, 3 waters, for nearly 3 terms the government has allowed the current state of pollution and poor laws – overseas water bottling, water for golf course grabs.

    Government could have changed the law under urgency 8 years ago to stop it. A bureaucratic management structure over the top of the mess does nothing, when simple laws changes could have made a big difference and been active immediately.

    Otakiri water bottling appeal heard in Appeal Court
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128092075/otakiri-water-bottling-appeal-heard-in-appeal-court

    Green MP and minister Eugenie Sage under fire from party members over Otakiri water-bottling decision
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-mp-and-minister-eugenie-sage-under-fire-from-party-members-over-otakiri-water-bottling-decision/XETTF4KJUR72EEF3NPQGBBIJGE/?c_id=1&objectid=12069999

    There seems to be no government support for the ‘stop the dome’ landfill in Auckland going ahead – government pretend it is out of their hands, but failed to protect the environment or even to collect data properly.

    “A year on, however, the Environment Ministry could not provide up-to-date waste composition numbers. It pointed to greenhouse gas inventory reporting, which does not break down categories of inert rubbish.”

    No wonder we are now receiving fossil awards!
    Pro Talks: NZ awarded humiliating ‘fossil’ status at COP26
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cop26/pro-talks-nz-awarded-humiliating-fossil-status-at-cop26

  2. Excellent! A very good response and summation.
    False equivalence has been a fingerprint of far right authoritarianism for quite a few hundred years now.
    It pays to be alert to it…

  3. ” While opposition to employment mandates and vaccine passes were the ‘official’ slogans, the driving force behind the protest and most of the behaviour was anti-vaccination. ”

    You know this how? Is this your opinion, did you do a survey or is it just what you saw in state owned media? LOL

    All protests especially those held over a long duration will inevitably attract people who are just there for the fight. These are the ratbags who were throwing bricks at the cops on the last day.
    An old friend of mine has lived near Eden Park for decades; a few houses from Helen Clarks old place. On the day of the big anti apartheid demo at Eden park a group of protesters tore down his picket fence in order to use the palings as weapons against the cops. They were there for no other reason than a scrap with the cops. And there’s your moral equivalence.

  4. Yes, Ian. The Reith experience may be the particular dialectic of the young who do not know their history, who do not seek primary sources, who do not listen to the voices of their elders, and who unfortunately, are too ready to disparage others from a position of woeful ignorance.

    In acknowledging the wisdom of Andrew Coster – who I don’t think is the chappie in the photo above – it could be useful to ascertain from him the number of fully jabbed and boosted front line police officers who succumbed to the virus after attending the demonstrations at Parliament. I think the numbers are very high, and possibly higher than in the general population, that some may have been quite sick and ditto their families, have had to quarantine with children missing school, and which constitute a significant “ waste” of person- power and tax payer resources. The Springbok protests did not have such personal, health, social and economic ramifications.

        1. I corrected it on my blog site but what you read is the original republished by TDB.

  5. Just a note on 81. I was there. Its disingenuous to draw up our anti tour protest as having a unitary nature, a pure cause. Just as we were anti tour the antivaxers were believe it or not antivax. But both covered a vast array of opinions and politics. We had plain nasty anti authority types who wanted a fight, we had Maori nationalists, we had everybody who hated Muldoon. To lump antivaxers as all rwnjs or conspiracy theorists is insulting our intelligence.

  6. It was an anti commonsense protest and while some were genuinely upset with a reason most were rent a crowd looking for a fight losers.

    1. Nonsense Trevor. There were all sorts, including small town mumsies having a cheap summer camping holiday in downtown Wellington, deluded Northlanders and Southlanders, sickos using small infants as shields, and some with honestly held concerns.

  7. Am I might missing something here? That photo is not Andrew Coster. Is it Mike Bush?

    1. Wheel – Sometimes Coster goes undercover, but don’t tell anyone. It could also be Clarke, but don’t tell anyone. It could be George Bush, or Kate Bush, or Mulberry Bush, but it looks too much like Mike to be him. Elvis ?

  8. I disagree Ian.

    The sanctimonious comments from former anti tour protesters is hypocritical.

    I was there in 81. I recently watched Patu, where there was a meeting in which violence was discussed. The speaker was refusing to commit to non violence, even though some people wanted this. At the last test someone flew a small plane over eden park, dropping leaflets. There was street fighting, Molotov cocktails thrown. Recently a female member of the red squad talked of being trampled on. There was also a protest with a dummy hanging from a noose (Ron Don)……

    I absolutely are pro vaccination. During the protest I started to wonder about the mandates. The protesters were there because the govt brought in legislation that had significantly impacted on some peoples lives.. They had a right to their protest even if I disagreed with it. The vast majority of the protesters were not violent. Just like in 81

  9. One thing struck me as particularly incongruous about the parliamentary grounds occupation. While ostensibly decrying ‘mandates’ they were operating under their own mandate. Though unwritten and even unstated as-such, it was at all times evident.

    Anyone wanting to protest but NOT to contact or spread Covid during this pandemic, was dissuaded from taking that basic health and safety action of wearing a mask, – by the often aggressive enforcement of their anti-mask mandate.

    I have yet to see any clear justification of that anti-mask rule/ mandate, or even much reference to it. Yet it defined the occupation and has certainly contributed to the spread of Covid.

  10. Ian, the core issue at the protests was the vaccination mandate. I was not present myself, but three of my acquaintances were, and none of them want to deny anyone’s right to be vaccinated. None of the three are violent or aggressive types, but one was violently arrested on the final day of the protest.
    So let’s focus on the real issue. The WHO warned against mandates. The High Court of New Zealand has deemed two of the “No jab, no job” mandates to be ineffective, disproportionate and unlawful. You have said that you are pro-mandate but have consistently failed to come up with a justification which would overcome the objections of the WHO, the High Court and common sense.
    Those on the left do not want to address the real issue focus on the beliefs and alleged behavior of the protesters rather than the merits of their cause. I say “alleged behavior” because some of the claims made in your previous posts were false. No protester threw excrement at the police. This was a rumor that got air time from Lisa Owen on RNZ Checkpoint, and was then taken up by the Prime Minister, but it was never more than a rumor. Neither the Police nor RNZ are now claiming that it actually happened.
    So please stick to the facts, and deal with the real issues if you want to retain the respect of all your readers.

    1. You misrepresent WHO whose warning was that they should be a last resort. I believe the circumstances were such that this was a justified last resort. The point is that you misrepresented WHO’s position.
      The High Court is also misrepresented. The Court was clear that its decision was specifically confined to the Police argument about staff deployment, not the health safety of the public or other staff. It does not set any precedence for a public health safety argument (or any other arguments).
      I’m not sure what past errors I have made on this matter. While I don’t recall writing anything about throwing excrement but believe that it did occur (as offensive as this was it was not part of my argument in my blog because it appeared to be very individualised rather than collectively defining. I don’t believe the Police have stopped talking about; it is more that public comment has understandably focussed on the events of the final day of the occupation.

      1. Kia ora Ian
        I said that WHO warned against mandates. That is a fact, not a “misrepresentation”. I said the High Court ruled that two mandates were unlawful. Again, a fact and not a misrepresentation. The ruling addressed the issues of effectiveness and proportionality which are relevant to all mandates. In that regard it establishes a precedent.
        Vaccine mandates could be justified in circumstances where they pass the tests of effectiveness, proportionality, necessity and lawfulness. That is what is meant by “a last resort”. But that is not currently the case in New Zealand and it has not been the case since the government abandoned its Covid elimination strategy, deciding, rightly or wrongly, that New Zealanders can live with Covid.
        Believe me, you did repeat the claim that the protesters threw human excrement at police. This is just one example, but it is important because it shows how misinformation can be spread through official and other channels, whether by accident or design, and is then used to justify the application of force against political dissidents.
        I would be interested to know why you still “believe it did occur”. Do you have any evidence to support your belief, apart from the fact that other people also seem to “believe that it did occur”?
        If either you, the Prime Minister, RNZ, or the NZ Police had the integrity to apologize for this false claim I would have less cause for concern. As it is, I see a cavalier disregard for truth within the colonial regime as a whole, which bodes well for our ability to peaceably get along with each other.
        Families and individuals from our village went to the protest in Wellington. I did not, because I did not believe that Her Majesty’s New Zealand government, the colonial Parliament or the official media would allow them a fair hearing or indeed any hearing at all. I think I was right, and I hope that in future the focus remains on keeping our people at a safe distance from the regime, rather than engaging in vain attempts to keep it obedient to its own laws.

        1. Your two ‘facts’ were incomplete ‘facts’ which meant they were taken out of full context and therefore, in my opinion, misrepresentations.

        2. Kia ora Geoff, and respect.

          I hope your community, your whānau are all kept safe and well through these troubled times and that your spirit stays strong. I also hope there will be greater understanding in the times that are ahead.

          Kia kaha.

  11. This was a right-wing (Nat Act, Pati Maori, NZ First, Destiny, Billy TK, Alps, Chapman, Baker anti government HATE Jacinda rally. The cowardly protesters placed young children and babies on the front line from start day 1 to the end thus ensuring the police wouldn’t move them on. Even the Springbok tour and Trump protests did go as low as having babies and children in their protests.I saw swastikas, hammer and sickles, plenty of sick references to Jacinda and Clarke, – definitely no left support there. The Natz Dirty Politics brigade did a clever job at mobilising and manipulating right wing followers, MSM.
    Jacinda & Coster 10 Right wing ZERO.

  12. His whole argument could be distilled down to him not liking the anti-mandate protestors or their cause; therefore, anything showing similarity between liked causes and protests and this intensely disliked one, is obviously wrong. Moreover, because the other protest was in 1981 and this one in 2022 and they were for different reasons, there is no equivalence whatsoever. Yes, yes, he adds lots of words to justify his stance. But ultimately, it comes down to that.

    As for the 1981 protests, they barely blipped on my consciousness. Being of the Gen-X generation, I was still at school and not a rugby fan. While as my boomer husband had a friend was arrested for running on the tarmac at Wellington Airport.

    Your friendly “far right” influencer.

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