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  1. My generation was taught phonics. We can read, spell and speak properly. I can also spot silly arguments very easily.

      1. Phonics work. That isn’t ideological. My children learned the whole language approach and can’t spell.

        1. They need both and should be exposed to both, all methods in fact. People learn in different ways.

          However, wasn’t it a pretty bright person who said something along the lines of, ‘It’s a damned poor mind that can’t think of at least two ways to spell a word.’

          I too, think that spelling should be correct for good communication, but we have to wade through some dreadful spelling on this site alone and we’re presumably mostly adults who should know the difference between there and their, less and fewer, etc.
          It doesn’t stop people having some very enlightening ideas, does it?
          It’s those ideas, conjecture and comprehension which is important.

  2. Ian, it’s a reaction to the pointy headed ideologues in the Ministry who were previously pushing ‘whole word’ literacy which was far worse.

    In a more ideal world, we should be letting go of the 4,000 plus people in the ministry and use the money saved to implement an education voucher system like some of the Scandinavian countries have. Then parents can choose what sort of education their children receive then idealogues from either side cannot easily interfere.

  3. I notice the government has to do a u turn and needs to build 300 plus new class rooms ,just after cancelling all the previous governments building program .The sinking ferries comes to mind .How much money and momentum has been wasted by yet another back flip .Now all the new tradies have skipped the country who will build these schools .While we are at it Cigaretti needs to back flip on the hospitals they have stopped .I note they closed down half north shore hospital to staff the new one ,the previous government built without fanfare .Bunch of incompetent pricks .While in opposition they were going to wave their magic wand and fix all of NZ in 6 months .

  4. How ironic – leftist craps on proven methodology to raise our dire reading levels. Reading recovery is a joke that doesn’t work, and there’s nothing in the governments announcement that precludes comprehension in reading teaching – it instead emphasises learning the basics at a young age.

    1. It’s not proven, your right wing ideology crap proves that.

      1. What ideology is this? My view is informed by having generations of teachers in my family and seeing with my own eyes the truly terrible teaching practices inflicted on my kids in recent years.
        Not ideology, facts.

        1. The reading recovery you have seen failing may have been because a child had an underlying learning problem which no-one had recognized or dealt with. In which case, RR won’t work. It’s not the fault of RR, it’s the fault of the many adults who have interacted with that child and never had a deeper look at what was going wrong for them.
          Perhaps teacher training needs to extend a bit into specific learning difficulties or perceptual problems and ways of recognizing them. Then being willing to stick their necks out and recommend further assessment, which is where it gets tricky. That involves cost and at that point parents baulk.
          If the govt. had any forward thinking ideas it would be looking to fund that further assessment and possible help. Some fixes are fairly easy.

    2. Reading recovery does work. What are you on about? What qualifies you to make this clearly erroneous statement – maybe you work with Erica?

      Comprehension needs to be developed ‘in tandem’ with phonics and whole words – without it there is nothing to scaffold learning on – and so it does not occur.

      This is not social media where you can talk as much rubbish as you want. Here your crap will be held to account.

      1. No it doesn’t, the evidence is mixed at best, and in some evaluations, RR has been found to be ineffective.
        What I do know as an empirical fact is that seeing how my kids were taught to read, write and do maths at school is a total disgrace. E.g. in maths, the teachers failed so comprehensively that the entire class was given flyers to private maths tuition. This is backed up by our decades long decline in PISA scores.
        Teachers should be deeply ashamed at the appalling job they did, and no amount of valorising them as some sort of left wing heroes will cut it.

      2. Held to account? Really? With your fact-free puerile assertions that “maybe you work for Erica?” Grow up, I’ve never met her.

  5. Nearly everyone has been taught and they remember bad and difficult teaching methods. With good teaching the students are oblivious to good teaching methods. Thus we have badly taught people promoting their ignorance of good teaching.

  6. Rigid phonics as a core strategy is plainly inferior to mixed and balanced approaches.
    Since the great vowel shift about 500-600 years ago English spelling has, to a significant extent, borne little relation to pronunciation, and regional dialects have compounded the disconnection.
    And in regard to meaning, I would contend the old fashioned assertion that studying Latin and etymology bears greater fruit than phonics in learning language. And no one seriously advances a return to reciting tables of amo, amas, amat, etc
    Phonics can probably be useful in introducing the beginner to the fundamental principles of the relationship between speaking and writing, but the relationship quickly breaks down, – in English at least.

    1. Studying Latin and French is definitely good for advanced English spelling and comprehension. For my generation it undoubtedly assisted.

  7. “… the ideological framework in which the government has required schools to restrict their teaching of literacy to what is called ‘structured literacy’”

    Restrict? Is it really that prescriptive, hegemonic? A one size fits all approach will not work for many, but arguably will for some. That criticism of course could be leveled at whole language approaches. The reality is that most teachers recognize the complexity (although the focus of initial teaching training and ongoing professional development around literacy development is very different can of worms). But I suspect primary school teachers are under immense pressure, class sizes, individual differences (prior knowledge of the students, language background, cognitive abilities, learning difficulties, socio-economic, to name a few). And ‘reading recovery’ specialists would definitely appreciate these differences among those that struggle with initial reading.

    Nah, like all ideological positions, restricting the teaching of initial literacy to ‘structured literacy’ is an ideal. In this case a government directed policy to appease voters on the basis the evidence stacks up. There may well be evidence, but as the saying goes, it depends what you’re looking for in the first place and the methods used to obtain the data. Other ‘experts’ of a different hue would be looking at other factors besides numerical test scores and would be using different methods to obtain insights. But conservative right-leaning governments and their voters just love the certainty of numerical data obtained from testing. At ground level, it could be argued the reality is that teachers worth their salt will recognize those who may benefit from more phonics instruction, but continue to integrate a meaning-based approach to extend the more capable.

    Hopefully this will be the case, not the proposed yet another one size fits all.

    1. The elephant in the room is that something is clearly wrong in NZ education, our PISA scores show this, and the teaching profession has had its head in the sand for over a decade and done nothing about it. I’ve witnessed this first hand at my kids local primary school in reading, writing and maths.
      Why don’t you people focus on this issue? Something has to change.

      1. The elephant in the room. Now that’s a nice turn of phrase, tesseract. Without doubt something is amiss. But what that might be could be what academics call a wicked problem, an issue that is multifaceted and has no one silver bullet.

        Yes, its true, PISA scores are on the decline, comparatively speaking. A few years back, officials from the Scandi countries doing best in these comparative test scores referred to ‘PISA tourism’, overseas educationalists flocking to these countries to understand the secrets of a high PISA rating. I don’t really know what was found, but possibly a combination of smaller class sizes, adequate educational funding, student homogeneity, the absence of wide socioeconomic disparity, the quality of teacher training and ongoing professional development, and yes, the curriculum and teaching methods. Combined, this is the elephant in the room. Focusing on structured literacy and more standardized testing is the easy way out. The current Coalition govt surely know this. But in the face of “the crisis” they need to be seen to be doing something about it. And why not take the advise of (some) education academics who have long advocated for a phonics based approach to early literacy. These advocates for phonics instruction evidently have the evidence to support their claims, although the public are never quite told what this evidence looks like or how it was constructed – all we are told is that the current system is “failing”, not for all it should be said, but for a significant number, whose identity is never quite made explicit. The current Coalition are hoping there is a silver bullet but their efforts fall short of addressing what is a wicked problem. The elephant in the room is pretty big.

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