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  1. Neither the communist left not the capitalist right, know how to interact with the Anarchy that is the protestors societal structure.

    Both the left and the right are hanging around but the protestors are not receptive to their advances hence both the left and the right have to denounce something that they cannot control. No one is in control when the crowd is based on the freedom that only Anarchy can bring.

    Worth a read;

    https://libcom.org/library/anarchist-vs–leninist-lorenzo-ervin

    “What Anarchists are opposed to is hierarchical, power-tripping leadership which suppresses the creative urge of the bulk of those involved, and forces an agenda down their throats. Members of such groups are mere servants and worshippers of the party leadership.”

    The “state” is the problem. Be that left or right wing.

    “What we don’t want or need is a group of authoritarians leading the working class, then establishing themselves as a centralized decision-making command. Instead of “withering away”, Marxist-Leninist States have perpetuated authoritarian institutions (the secret police, labor bosses, and the Communist Party) to maintain their power. The apparent effectiveness of such organizations masks the way that revolutionaries who pattern themselves after Capitalist institutions become absorbed by bourgeois values, and completely isolated from the real needs and desires of ordinary people. ”

    Neither left or right wing is interested in the welfare of the working classes. They both want to control the “state” and place themselves in the authoritarian executive of control over the people.

    Even the most avid marxist understands that communism is but the pathway to the state “withering away”. But Lenin countered that notion. After all the “state” is the controller, not the people.

    “The reluctance of Marxist-Leninists to accept revolutionary social change is, however, above all seen in Lenin’s conception of the party. It is a prescription to nakedly seize power and put it in the hands of the Communist Party. The party that Leninists create today, they believe, should become the [only] Party of the Proletariat in which that class could organize and seize power. “

    1. So, they’re Anarchists are they Gerrit. A nice little label to describe folk that don’t like authority, who don’t like hierarchical, power-tripping leadership that forces an agenda down their throats, all to the detriment of their freedom and creativity.

      I guess the punks in the late 70’s knew a thing or two about that given they were committed to individual liberty, had no time for authority, establishment nor government and were committed to action. Punks were committed to disrupting bourgeois values, in a word, to anarchy. Musically their anthems are a testament to this. But of course the folk – and their leaders – protesting outside Parliament grounds cannot be described as punks – not the least because some seem to own utes and SUV’s!

      You’re on to something Gerrit, but nah, despite your argument I side with Ian Powell. The folk in Wellington – and their supporters elsewhere – are a motley crew, increasingly influenced by far right extreme activists, who, in Powell’s words, would be equally at home leading a xenophobic demonstration against Muslims as disrupting bourgeois values, as upholding personal freedom.

  2. And I ask myself what is the point of having a Minister Of Children, Kelvin Davis, if he is maintains a silence on the plight of the young children being wetted on by order of his Speaker, with those sprinklers, I believe, still sprinkling away yesterday.

    The Minister of Health should be concerned that ambulances and fire engines cannot traverse the Wellington CBD speedily and unimpeded, and that the rights of the vulnerable and at-risk are being superseded by the rights of the protestors.

  3. Kia ora Ian
    People on the left (Chris Trotter excluded) often begin their condemnation of the “Rights and Freedoms” protest at Parliament by saying that they protested the Springbok tour (“unlawfully” in most cases) but “that was different”. It was a justified protest they say, and I tend to agree.
    But that justification of other unlawful protests shows that the anger of the government and the left centers on the reason for the protest, and the class of person protesting, rather than the mode of protest as such.
    These same leftists claim that the protesters are only “a small but vocal minority”. That claim was just as true of the campaigns against the Vietnam war, nuclear ships, and apartheid sport in their early days. The level of public support says something, but not everything about the merits of a cause, and public support for the protesters is much greater than most on the left can bring themselves to admit. The editor of the “Dominion” newspaper suggested 1%, a number plucked out of the air because it sounded good to her. You suggest 5% based on the fallacious notion that all who are vaccinated support the vaccine mandate. Wrong. I am “fully vaccinated” (whatever that means) and boosted, yet I consider the “vaccine pass” and the “no jab, no job” policies of the government to be a gross unjustified abuse of power. There are thousands like me out there. Then there are those who complied with the mandates out of fear of the consequences for their careers, incomes, home and family if the refused. Hard to tell how many, but perhaps up to 15% of the population based on surveys of “vaccine reluctance”.
    So you are dealing with a bigger social problem, and a deeper social division, than you care to admit.
    What caused this division to go so deep? The end of the elimination strategy, the abandonment of the “team of five million” and the institution of the “vaccine pass” system. While the “vaccine pass” may have done something to protect non-vaccinated population it probably did more to help the spread of Covid in the vaccinated population than to contain it. The reason why is simple enough. “Vaccine passes” are designed to allow the very activities which spread Covid. So Covid is spreading among the legitimate holders of vaccine passes in bars, restaurants, nightclubs and music festivals.
    The vaccine pass is just silly. It isn’t even evidence of vaccination, let alone immunity to transmission. You might be exempt, and still have a vaccine pass. Your immunity might have declined to negligible levels since vaccination and the issuing of your pass. You might never have had immunity because your immune system was not robust enough to respond to the vaccine.
    So the “vaccine pass” is a ridiculous and counter-productive abuse of rights, and sooner or later it will be quietly dropped, protest or no protest.
    The “no jab no job” policy is also iniquitous and ineffective. Covid is spreading in the schools where non-vaccinated teachers have been sacked. You will meet non-vaccinated people in the supermarket and the doctors waiting room and on the bus. So why not in the surgery or in schools or hospitals?
    You may say that “no jab no job” marginally lowers the public health risk, and that may be the case. But the benefit is so marginal, and the cost to those left jobless (and their families) is so immense, that the policy fails the test of proportionality.
    Finally, you express concern for the children of the non-vaccinated. Yet in a petty act of blind spite the New Zealand state decides to use sprinklers to keep these same children wet and cold through day and night. A measure which was designed to compromise their health, and could have exposed them to serious illness.
    Frankly Ian, you could better use you knowledge and your standing to expose sins of state rather than joining in the chorus of disapproval of what a bunch of misguided but very ordinary New Zealanders who have been badly treated and are now trying to do something about it.

      1. Reacting against the gummint turning sprinklers on them doesn’t mean that it’s okay for he protesters to then funnel their anger and aggravation on to other ordinary NZs. That isn’t showing the solidarity and maturity that is needed to get change from the government; the protests are just an exercise in showing militancy and ability to disrupt, and take power when it suits. I don’t like that behaviour any more than the gummint’s.

    1. Are you commenting on the above article? You use the same names but have taken your own view about what Ian wrote that misses the point of the article.

  4. Ian, thank you for a balanced review. Interesting comments about your venture into the protestors group with a mask in place; seems others have not been so fortunate.
    I can’t agree about your clear conscience re Wellington Airport & Molsworth Street – both put others lives at risk, so in my mind can not be justified; just as the actions of the current protestors in blocking roads is totally unacceptable and demonstrates their total lack of community responsibilty.
    It seems today many people can’t accept that decisions have consequences. They have the freedom to not be vaccinated, for that some the consequence is the lose of their job for the safety of the community at large. As unfortunate as that is public health must take priority.
    The fact that some very questionable people have initiated (funded?) this protest is of real concern; but of more concern is that so many are prepared to, seemingly unquestioning of the organisers motives, do their bidding.

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